SQ2
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Cockpit Seat In

Sun Nov 28, 1999 12:25 am

Does anyone know if it is possible to request for a sit in the cockpit for the whole duration of the flight? I know that there is space on the 747s but wonder if other makes like the 737s or the 767 have space to squeese an observer for the whole duration. Would airline companies allow that? Which airlines are more likely to grant this request?

Thanks.

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Cockpit Seat In At AF

Sun Nov 28, 1999 12:31 am

I can answer about what happens at Air France. If you are fast enough you can request to do take offs and landing in the cockpit but our pilots decide if yes or no. Yet I doubt they will be OK for the whole duration of the flight as they want to eat and rest some times. Yet I have seen passengers do take offs and landings on our planes.

Happy jump-seating,

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RE: Cockpit Seat In At AF

Sun Nov 28, 1999 12:38 am

hi AF cabin crew, do you think I should request this at check in or when I board the plane? Basically when should I ask if I would like to sit in for take offs and landing?

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cricri
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RE: Cockpit Seat In

Sun Nov 28, 1999 12:51 am

Hi SQ2!
Hmmmm... First advice I can give you is to board under the very first persons before someone else asks for the same thing. Then, never forget that the Captain is able to say no to your request for security reasons. The best advice I can give you is to ask for the landing because then you're called at the beginning of the descent phase (good tip!). Never ask for the whole duration, it's quasi impossible. Every aircraft big enough has a jumpseat (for the instructor).
Some other tips : never the first flight in the morning : the captain will be bad mooded, never ask after a girl or a women, she will have the priority(!!!), never when the forecasted weather is said to be bad because of the turbulences that won't allow you to go in the cockpit for safety reasons. And last tip, if possible, ask directly the captain if he welcomes you on board. Most of time, cabin crew will forget your demand because of their service they have to manage.
Try to say that you're beginning your flight lessons, it works good most of time.
That was from a jumpseat specialist.
Regards.
 
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RE: Cockpit Seat In At AF

Sun Nov 28, 1999 12:56 am

From what I've seen there is room on all the planes, the biggest jumbo to the CRJ have them. You can in Canada sometimes. Never in the states. Almost always on European airlines. If you have a pilots licence, even better.
 
Buzz
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Cockpit Jumpseats

Sun Nov 28, 1999 1:04 am

Hi SQ2, Buzz here. Here in the United States, it's considered dangerous to ride in the cockpit. So the FAA prohibits normal people from doing so. It's leftovers from the wave of hijackings 25 years ago.

But if you work for an airline, you can politely ask the flight crew. Most of the time they're accomodating. Sometimes they're tired from a 4 day trip and don't want comapny.

Dad used to fly for a living, i rode with him several times before he retired. To be fair, i'm a line mechanic with United so i already had one of the prerequisites.

Yes, it's interesting compared to riding in back. The seat doesn't recline, the stereo's kind of poor, leg room is sometimes questionable. (grin) But the view is worth the price of admission.

OK, what has jump seats: 727's have a pair, 737 and DC-9/MD-80 have a fold down seat that leans on the cockpit door. You mentioned 747's already. 757's have one jumpseat, 767's have one or two depending on what size airplane (200 vs 300). I don't know the 777, they don't frequent where i work. Le Airbus 320 has two. DC-10's have a pair of seats, and I'm trying to remember what our old DC-8's had, just one i think.

Good luck!
 
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Riding In The Cockpit

Sun Nov 28, 1999 1:09 am

What if you're on a foreign airline going from the states overseas? Like BA from MIA-London? Would they let you in or only after you leave the U.S. airspace?

Also, what about Canada? (or should I say Canadian airlines)?
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cricri
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RE: Riding In The Cockpit

Sun Nov 28, 1999 1:15 am

Hi Bruce!
Then you'll have more luck because it depends more of the country from which the airline is than from its destination. That's to say that you will be able to be jumpseated in an AF plane even if you are flying over the states. It is sad to say but since a few monthes, it becomes harder and harder even for inland flights to get jumpseated because of the new safety instructions given by the DGAC (french FAA). Hope all pilots here will do a special effort for aviation lovers like us!!! :-)
Regards.
 
kaitak
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RE: Riding In The Cockpit

Sun Nov 28, 1999 3:31 am

There was quite a big post post on PPRuNET about this issue and JAR regulations have been brought into place to cover this. I think it's designed for situations where flights are overbooked and it's (1) at the captain's consent, (2) as long as the passenger consents.

Hmm . . . now that's a difficult one. Will I or . . . oh, alright then, if you insist!!

Personally, having done jump seat takeoffs a few times, they are fun, but Cricri's comments are correct; go for the landing - it's a lot more fun and if you're Irish like me - and/or have the gift of blarney, you can butter them up for a while before you ask the question!

Believe me, I've done it over 70 times!
 
AC_A340
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Bruce And Others

Sun Nov 28, 1999 5:58 am

Here in Canada, you are almost always allowed to visit. It is up to the Captains discretion though. Be prepared though, the FA may give you some snappy bullsh*t answer about it being against regulations. Just ask a different FA after the meal service is done. Air Canada has never denied me a visit. And that is one of the reasons that I will support them. My first visit was an AC A320 in 1990. I'll never forget it. It started my love for aviation.

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