atcboy73
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Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:00 pm

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030415/attu013_1.html

Am I reading this correctly? No more prop period.

No mention of ILE. Are they dropping Killeen?
 
FlyPNS1
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:13 pm

Yes, you are correct. As of Aug 1, DFW will be all jet.

Regional aircraft will include ERJ135's, ERJ145's, CRJ200's and CRJ700's, but no props. In fact, the only prop's left in the entire DL system will be the 19 ATR72's flown out of ATL and the EMB120's flown out of SLC. I don't really count the Eagle SF340's that DL codeshares out of LAX on.

ILE will be dropped. Poor ILE recently lost CO and now DL. The only one left will be AA.
 
ouboy79
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 2:57 am

Okay...all jets...how bout some N/S service to TOL?  Big grin
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 3:14 am

I was told that AA was dropping all the props for RJ's and ERJ's etc..
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drdivo
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 3:15 am

Interesting that ILE has been dropped by both DL and CoEx - a few months back, I looked into flying up there (it's about a 3 hour drive from Houston) and it would have been cheaper to fly to Europe!

No wonder they couldn't keep the flights full.
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petazulu
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:39 am

I used to fly to Killeen for work from DFW all the time on Delta. The planes were always packed!

Too bad that town will lose air service becuase of this. I guess they need to lengthen their runway to accomodate a baby-jet.
 
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:48 am

Ryan, AA wont drop the props for a few years. They have several routes that can only be profitable if served by prop. You have to remember that they still have around 30-40 SAAB 340 remaining...so they will have to replace most of those.
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jhooper
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:02 am

The runway at Killeen is 5495 feet long. That should be enough for a RJ.
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atcboy73
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:31 am

I heard that one of the main reasons CO express was leaving was because of the runway length. I guess they had to operate with a lot of empty seats. I remember talking to an Eagle pilot that said the runway length left no room for error when they operated the ATRs in there.
 
PSU.DTW.SCE
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:58 am

Eagle is planning on operating Saab's on certain routes out of DFW & LAX for several more years.

The ATR's will remain in MIA & SJU for several more years too.

Eagle hasn't set a timeline to become all-jet, yet.
 
brons2
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:04 am

The runway at Ft Hood can accomodate any plane made, why not just use that instead as a mixed use airport? It's not that far off the highway.
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ramper@iah
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:16 am

Service to ILE was dropped by Continental Express due to the fact that the runway had to be dry in order for the EMB-135 to land there. Too many flights were being cancelled because of this. The required runway length for the aircraft to land when the runway was "contaminated" (wet) was in excess of what is availible at ILE. The EMB-145 couldn't fly there because it's too long to make a 180 degree turn on the runway. When the Gray AFB opens for airline operations, COEX will resume service.
 
petazulu
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:41 am

Bery interesting stuff Ramper@iah! I had no idea about the turning radious or wet runway issues at ILE.

I was told the runway was just too short for any RJ operation. Guess I was wrong- but right in the sense that it makes no commericial sense to operate jets from there.
 
DeltaBoy777
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:12 am

I think this is a good move by Delta and Delta Connection. I believe a lot of people are afraid of props and would much rather fly a jet powered plane. Personally, I think to be a true airline enthusiast you HAVE to ride a prop! Look for DFW to be the Connection Hub for all of Delta's systems. (Comair, SkyWest---Already, ASA---Already, and Chautauqua--sooner or later!).

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atcboy73
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RE: Delta Connection At DFW--no More Props!?

Thu Apr 17, 2003 11:47 am

Think of how this affects traffic flow at DFW.

When on a south flow, DFW uses one runway for nothing but props. I think its 13L. Its the one runway that is off to the east of the airport and not alligned with most of the other parrallels. I guess this will now be used for only the SF340s and B1900 that Air Midwest is operating out of DFW.

Could mean Delays will be increasing. But then again, American has now gone to the de-peaked operation so the back up may not be all that much.

Either way it means that one runway is going to see less traffic.