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Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 2:33 am

Hi everyone,
Airline Business is reporting that Air France will codeshare with Delta on its Concorde flight and will allow them to put their designator DL on the flights AF001and AF002.
Anyone knows what flight number will DL use ? I think DL002 for the JFK-->CDG and DL001 for the CDG-->JFK, the opposite of the AF numbering.
When the codeshare will be implemented, Delta Airlines will be the first US carrier to "fly" the supersonic jet.

Happy Supersonic Flying,

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cedarjet
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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 2:40 am

It won't be the opposite - if AF1 is CDG-JFK then Delta's flight number for CDG-JFK will be DL1. There is no point in needlessly confusing gate agents. God, I bet Delta are just itching to put their colours on one side of the aircraft. Air France wouldn't let them do it in a thousand years, though Delta's new livery would look incredibly sexy on a Concorde though. I hope someone from Atlanta can convince the top brass at AF. I'm surprised no BA codeshare partner has ever tried to get their colours on a BA SST.
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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 2:47 am

Hi Cedarjet

I mentioned the DL1 and DL2 in the opposite way because all even flight numbers at Delta are outbound from the USA, all odd numbers are inbound to the USA. Nothing else. Anyway DL will choose what to do and will probably make an exception for their supersonic flight.
Also I doubt AF will allowthem to paint their logo on a Concorde, but you never know, everybody said AF will never make money and now they are the only major european airline to record profits and high load factors.

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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 5:15 am

If Delta indeed choses to use flight#s 1 & 2 it will probably be #1 towards CDG and #2 coming back; just because AF has them reversed doesn't mean DL has to follow their lead. I will bet with you that Delts is trying to put their logo (even if it is as small as a penny) on the Concorde.

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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 5:15 am

If Delta indeed choses to use flight#s 1 & 2 it will probably be #1 towards CDG and #2 coming back; just because AF has them reversed doesn't mean DL has to follow their lead. I will bet with you that Delts is trying to put their logo (even if it is as small as a penny) on the Concorde.

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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 5:30 am

I read this a few months ago and appearently they were going to try to do some ATL-CDG runs with Delta crew to get them ready for the Concorde and to get all of the facilities changed. Air France is considering allowing one to be painted in Delta colors along with a new interior.
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 8:12 am

Hi! Actually, Delta will not be the first US carrier to "fly" the Concorde. Back when Braniff International was around, they also used the Concorde. I forget if it was AF or BA, but the plane was painted in Braniff colors. It went Europe-Washington Dulles-Dallas/Ft Worth. It didnt last long, but it flew. I wasnt around then i dont think, but i read it somewhere. I belive it was in the book "The Concorde Story". Oh well, just thought id add that!
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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 8:32 am

SQ also had (I think only one side) of Concorde painted with their "stint" with either AF or BA...

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BTW--the Concorde book is a pretty good one, too!
 
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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Sun Nov 28, 1999 12:21 pm

Only three airlines had ever shown their colors on the Concorde, the two obvious ones and Singapore Airlines.

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RE: Delta Airlines Is Going Supersonic

Mon Nov 29, 1999 4:50 pm

Make that 4 - As someone pointed out already Braniff also had their colors on the concorde briefly ...
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Braniff Never Had A Painted Concorde

Tue Nov 30, 1999 12:43 am

While Braniff flight crews did operate the Concorde from Washington Dulles to DFW (at subsonic speeds) from 1979-80, no plane was ever repainted. If you've seen the photos that were circulated showing a Braniff Concorde, be aware that those photos were retouched and were not "actual" photos. By the way, the Braniff crews did not operate the planes on the transatlantic runs, only on the domestic portion.
 
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RE: Braniff Never Had A Painted Concorde

Tue Nov 30, 1999 1:52 am

ORD is correct; Braniff never did have Concorde repainted in their livery. John J. Nance's excellent history of Braniff Airways, "Splash of Colors", recounts an interesting anecdote about Braniff's Concorde service. While the airline's financial condition worsened, British Airways prepared to repaint the port side of one Concorde in the proposed Braniff "BI" orange tail with orange cheat line. The aircraft was actually in the paint hanger at Heathrow when Braniff management, faced with the necessity of pairing costs, informed BA that it was discontinuing Concorde service. Needless to say, the repainting became unnecessary, and BA towed the aircraft from the paint shop and returned it to service.
 
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RE: Braniff

Tue Nov 30, 1999 5:15 am

For those of you who want to know more about Braniff, 367-80 is right -- Splash of Colors is an excellent book (although I don't recall the part about the Concorde being in the paint hanger at Heathrow; I'll have to go back and check).

Six years ago when I was in graduate school getting my MBA Howard Putnam came to speak. He was a very interesting man and later that day I spoke with him for a few minutes one-on-one. Some experts say Splash of Colors was written to make Putnam look good and to hide the "truth" about Braniff's bankruptcy -- that Braniff still had money to continue flying, but Putnam had cut a deal to put Braniff into bankruptcy. During the bankruptcy hearings, Braniff's former CFO, Ted Beckwith was supposedly going to testify against Putnam on this issue but was mysteriously murdered before he appeared in court. Makes you wonder what really happened.