IndianicWorld
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Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:22 pm

Asalam alaikum

Hi everyone,

How r u MEA and Cedarjet?

It seems that after viewing a few maps of routes into Beirut, including ones on here including the excellent MEA route map, that the city in in a great location to be a hub.

Years ago i see that it was a thriving airport and city alike, but over the years it has dropped through many unfortunate circumstances. Now im asking here does anyone see it booming again, back to a focal point of the middle eastern region?

Beirut itself is starting to open its doors again to the world, as money comes in for reconstruction, and also proactive steps by the government there to build a new terminal at the airport. MEA and TMA both need to grow and allow the hub to thrive, because with stability, Lebanon will be the biggest drawcard in the region without a doubt soon.

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of airlines and services into Beirut? and any further planned flights?

Any ideas on the topic would be welcomed.

salaams





 
OD720
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:59 pm

Here are some of the airlines (from memory) that fly to Beirut at the moment:

From West Europe:
British Airways, Air France, Alitalia, KLM, Lufthansa, Austrian, LTU (soon), Olympic, Turkish, Cyprus Airways

East Europe and CIS:
Malev, CSA, JAT, TAROM, Aeroflot, Armenian, UM Air

Africa:
Tunis Air, Air Algerie, Egypt Air, Ethiopian

Middle East:
Syrian Air, Kuwait Airways, Royal Jordanian, Emirates, Gulf Air, Saudia, Oman Air, Qatar Airways

Far East:
MAS and I'm not sure if Air Lanka is still flying

There might be others but as I said these are from memory at this moment.

BEY may become a major hub. It's all related to the political situation in the region.

All the best.
 
IndianicWorld
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:32 pm

Thanx 4 that bro.

Its very dependant on the political sitauation, but by the sounds of it alot of airlines serve the city already. Things are looking abit better for the country, and things will get betta ova all in the region inshallah.

Salaams
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:34 pm

Qatar Airways are going to add a seasonal daily flight between Doha and Beirut for the summer season. That means that for that period QR will be operating two daily flights, one on the A320 the other on the A300-600R.

[Edited 2003-04-22 15:37:02]
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:54 pm

Previous operators;

PIA
JAL
SriLankan
Varig
Air India

Any chances of them returning?
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:04 pm

"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:52 am

Varig won't be back, that's for sure! How mean....
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:55 am

Air Canada is set to start a Montreal-Beirut flight this summer with the 767...
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:24 am

Beirut used to be a mega hub, hundreds of flights a day. Pan Am alone used to have four or five a day, with service all over the globe, to Istanbul, Tehran, Karachi, Frankfurt, Rome, Bombay, onwards to Saigon, Bangkok, Hong Kong... BOAC also stopped there every day en route to the Far East. Imagine flying Pan Am from Beirut to Saigon (747 service in the 70s), or BOAC Beirut to Darwin (ditto with the 747).

I think they're getting there, the Lebanese gov't have (much to the horror of MEA) completely deregulated, so anyone can fly to Beirut from anywhere, and on to anywhere else. I think the city still has something of a stigma of terrorism attached, but it's a secure, pro-western (half the population are Christians for god's sake) city where your mobile and cashpoint card works. Food unbelievable, nightlife spectacular, natives friendly. Hopefully they'll continue to regain their position as a natural hub for the world's airlines (not that I expect to see United turn up there any time soon).
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:50 am

Actually, some friends of mine went there on holiday a while ago and loved it. I might try it out some day, as an alternative to Dubai (I always seem to be going on holiday to Dubai).
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:24 am

What about Ghana Airways? Are they still serving Beirut?
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:38 am

What are the spotting possibilities like?

Any good areas for photos/logging?

It won't be busy by LHR/FRA standards,but it would be good for other bits and bobs.

Thanks for any info.

Rgds

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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:41 am

I think eventually over time, BEY will return to becoming a major hub.

Before the Civil War and raids by Israel, BEY was the busiest airport in the Middle East and the largest air market believe it or not. I certainly hope it returns to this one day. We'll have to wait and see what the future holds. And yes, Beirut is coming back from the war. The Beirut Central Distrct is the largest urban redevelopment in the world being done by real-estate developer, Solidere.

Ba319-131,

There are some good spotting opportunities on the right side of the airport near Gate 22. But keep in mind that Beirut is busiest late at night. Most of the Western Europe flights arrive between 11PM and 2AM.

Beirut Airport is currently the newest and most modern airport in the Middle East with the last phase being completed in 2000.

Here are some pictures from a great book I have.




It can handle 6 million passengers a year. Currently it's only handling 2.4 million, so it's not even running at half it's capacity.

Sri Lanken no longer serves Beirut. They dropped it after 9/11. Hopefully they'll return one day.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:04 am

ARN,

No, Ghana Airways was forced to stop Beirut service due to continuing financial problems.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:07 pm

It looks like Ghana Airways plans to return to Beirut some time. They have Beirut listed as a "Route to be developed" on there website.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:27 pm

BA, which book is that? Thanks.

Hisham.
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:54 pm

Hisham,

Beirut's Memory.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:19 pm

BA -- you mention "raids by Israel" above -- were there more than one? Can that one raid be equated to decades of political uprest and civil war?
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:59 pm

IndianicWorld

Where have you been hiding? Long time no see, if that's an appropriate word to use.

Beirut was a thriving airport hub in the 70s however with the growth of Dubai I doubt we will ever see it reclaim the glory days. Neither the Lebanese Government nor MEA have the cash reserves Dubai has, who's Government is doing an excellent job at promoting the Emirate.

Emirates if offering cheap stopovers with most packages including both breakfast & lunch. The service is great, with far more aircraft & an excellent network.

Beirut Airport will only grow if the Government starts to market the country properly & start to operate on a global rather then regional scale.

I'll be there in a week's time so will try to post some details on my trip with Emirates & possibly MEA
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:51 pm

Hey MEA, not much bro. I suppose i have been working too hard, but yeah passing through sumtimes.

Yeah marketing is importante, and as soon as the government actually start a proper campaign, the world will come back to Lebanon. There is a vibrant lifestyle in the city, and with a proper marketing analysis done on the tourism market people will actually see it for its new energy.

MEA is a fine airline, and as soon as they expand abit more, more will see that famous cedar on the tail. That tail is a visual stimulous, and therefore is a flying billboard for the country. I hope to visit there next year sometime on my way to Europe.

salaams
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:29 pm

BA, can't find it on the web. Where did you get it from?

Hisham.
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:52 pm

Lebanon has an advantage: it's a real country, wheras dubay is very artificial.
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:30 am

Couldn't have described it better myself Salim.
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 1:01 am

Nice pictures.

Haveric, "that one raid..."?! Israel killed 11,000 Lebanese civilians in a fortnight of air raids on Beirut in 1982, but there have been THOUSANDS of "raids" - they bombed Beirut's power stations in the 90s and the country still does not have 24 hour power as a result of the damage. So no, it's considerably more than "that one raid" (I'm not sure which one you're thinking of).
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:11 am

Israeli also bomebed a UN refuigiee camp in 96 killed aandbout 100 childerns and women. But as usual, no one told them anything.
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:47 am

But as usual, no one told them anything.

And sadly noone ever will.

There have been countless raids by Israel between the late 60's through the 80's and periodic raids during the 90's. Like CedarJet mentioned, just a couple years ago, Israel bombed Beirut's main powerstation. It's still not fully fixed and they are borrowing power from Syria until it's repaired.

As a result, there are periodic power outages in Beirut, but they're not as bad as they used to. The airport generates it's own power, so that's not an issue until Israel bombs the airport's power station....

Hisham,

I got the book from a bookstore at Beirut Airport.

CedarJet,

I think Haveric is thinking about the Beirut Airport attack in 1968 in which commandos landed late at night and dynamited 14 civilian planes belonging to MEA, LIA (now bankrupt because of bombing), and TMA.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:23 pm

I wasn't knocking Lebanon, the government & relevant tourist boards just don't know how to promote it.
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:37 pm

Maybe someday Beruit will be a safe place for Americans to visit again.

My grandparents had a National Geographic subscription back in the 60's and Beruit was a pretty happening place from what I could tell.
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 1:09 pm

Maybe someday Beruit will be a safe place for Americans to visit again.

If the US did not launch war against Iraq, Lebanon would currently be perfectly safe for Americans.

Even now I'd say it's safe. The protests are aimed towards government officials like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blair, etc. and the entire gang that's wrecking havoc.

You wanted to see Beirut, here it is:



The area you see zoomed in at the top is this:

What you see above is the newly restored Nejmeh square, Beirut's top entertainment attraction. People are packed like sardines here at night.

Forgive me for going off top. I just thought I'd give you all a taste of Beirut.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:21 am

Did Air France ever stop service to Beirut when war broke out? Or did they keep flying?

If they did stop, I think they were the first airline to return to Beirut after the war. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Regards
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:06 am

The French should have stepped in and defended the Lebanon from Israeli aggression. Why was this allowed to go on?
 
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RE: Will Beirut Become A Major Hub Again?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:18 am

Yak42,

Because it was a complicated war fought by many sides.

I don't really know.

I would appreciate it if you would please leave politics out of this discussion.

Thank you.
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