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Beginning Of The End For Carty?

Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:23 pm

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RE: Beginning Of The End For Carty?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:46 am

It seems to me that a number of people at AA have lost their focus, trying to solve too many problems at one time.For today what is thier biggest problem, hard to say.

Wether or not there is a change of leadehship and management at the very top?

Making peace with the unions?

Staying out of Chapter 11?

It all seems so overwhelming, with a divergent points of view by all the "insiders"

 
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RE: Beginning Of The End For Carty?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:47 am

Jim Goodwin is that you?
what are you doing working for AA?

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RE: Beginning Of The End For Carty?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 1:41 am

I think (IMHO) that once a CEO's credibility is shot, there's little hope for their continued employment. That said, it would not only be Carty, but several members of upper management, that have lost credibility as well.

This is what these greedy mis-managers don't realize - The rank-and-file of your airline are not stupid; if they were, why did you hire them to run your company? That being said, why do they continue to treat their employees like they don't understand how it works? No one pays you or I a "retention bonus" and we are the ones who really make an airline work - not upper management! They merely provide the corporate culture for us to perform our jobs in and empower (or not) us to make it all work!

If $800K last year and over $500K this year isn't enough financial incentive for you, Mr. Carty, then leave! I'm sure the fine folks at AA could find any number of candidates from their own ranks that would be far better equipped to do the job required and would do it for half of your pay - without "retention bonuses" and fully-funded, fully-protected pension plans!

Nope. Carty and AA upper mis-management really stepped on their collective johnsons with this bonehead stunt and I think (IMHO) they did irreparable damage to themselves (and hopefully not to the airline as well).

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RE: Beginning Of The End For Carty?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 1:55 am

I think Carty should go but I can't help thinking that he has become the scape goat in this one. (but pay me $800K and you can use me as a scape goat all day) The board of directors approved the retention packages and the special pension. If I were a shareholder at AMR, I would want the board to be replaced in addition to upper management. Maybe the DIP lenders will demand this if American goes into Chapter 11.

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RE: Beginning Of The End For Carty?

Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:35 am

It seems that every major airline has had it's own "CEO from hell" who either has destroyed the airlne or come close to it. TWA had Icahn, Eastern had Lorenzo, Pan Am had someone (name escapes me), United had Goodwin, Air Canada has Milton (not too familiar but I've heard bad stuff about him)...there are probably a few others.

Whoever quoted "good things come to those who wait" obviously wasn't thinking of the airline industry when they said that. Carty evidently thought that and took a "wait & see what happens to United" before making any brash decisions...well now he can see what is happening at United...they're making a comeback, have labor/mgmt harmony, drastically lower labor costs, extremely pleased DIP lenders...those all look good in my eyes.

Though when it was introduced it didn't work to well...but now I think it's time to resurrect an old slogan....

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