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Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:14 pm

Let's debate the issue. Should members of the military forces recieve reduced airfares?

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:19 pm

I believe that members of our military should receive reduced airfares, albeit they must be in uniform.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:21 pm

Not a chance !!

Just because it is space available, doesn't mean that it is cheap. Same need for ticketing, baggage handlers, food, gate agents, security, accounts, fuel, food etc etc..,

Besides, the airlines are losing enough to take on other peoples problems. The army guys while doing a service for their country, are paid for doing that job, get good scholarships, good benefits, good retirements. Late notice leave is just part of the job

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:23 pm

Well it would be a nice gesture, but I don't think it would be regulated. An airline is a business, and they won't survive if they give away everything for free or less then cost.

Actually back two years ago, right after 9/11, I suggested airlines put in special low cost fares for military personnel who travel with their class A or B uniforms on.

The theory is that uniforms, no matter if they are military or police are comforting and would provide a greater sense of security at a lower price then going to a bunch of air marshals and I suspected the costs would be less also and it would be obvious to the general public. It definately would be much more overt.

But again uniforms make you a target, especially overseas, so such a program should be optional again.

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:54 pm

no, why should they?

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:57 pm

They should receive special airfares because they are the defenders of our freedoms and liberties. I understand that it is a job, but we all must realize that being in the military is not a "regular" job. The majority of these people make so little, that they qualify for food stamps. Allowing them to travel at a discounted rate should be allowed. I must add that I think they should received discounted airfares only if they are wearing their Class A or B uniforms.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:07 pm

Well I must say that requiring the Servicemen/women to wear a class A or B uniform would be cost effective. Service people are now prohibited from flying in uniform, even on charters.

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:18 pm

Are you serious? You can't wear your uniform when traveling? When did this rule come about?
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:22 pm

Prohibited from flying in uniform? When did this happen and have you been to the airport lately? Places look like a military base half the time now there are so many servicemen/women in uniform.
 
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RE: Should Military Receive Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:26 pm

Pmk.

I flew home from training a decade ago in my "A's". Saw a couple of other troops doing it too.

If memory serves the rule came about after that sailor got shot and dumped out on the Beirut ramp in the mid 1980's during that TWA hijacking. There had been a couple of other incidents in the past. That is about the time they stopped issuing special passports to military personal and told them to fly in civies to foreign travel to make them less of a target.

That rule doesn't apply to the continental US. But in the 1960's it was required to wear them while flying.

Unless they have changed things recently.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:01 pm

When I was a station manager for a US carrier in Europe many (ok, well not too many) moons ago, military personnel did pay reduced fares.
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:10 pm

And what about Firemen.... and Police, and Teachers.... Soon nobody will be paying full fare...
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:18 pm

I think it is a small gesture of apreciation to those who have placed there lives on the line to defend our freedom. As far as uniforms. Military members are increased targets of terrorism and requiring them to wear their uniforms on a flight would make them stand out all the more.
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:26 pm

Absolutely not. If they're travelling on duty, the armed forces should be paying. If they're travelling for leasure, they should pay - airlines are not charities set up to offer anyone who feels they are a deserving cause get where they want to without paying the normal fare, and there are plenty of other people who do valuable jobs who don't get cheap travel, so why should military personnel.

On the other hand, the day the military start readily offering other people free flights or cheap flights on their aircraft - say a ride in the back seat of an F-15 deploying across the Atlantic to someone who'd just like to travel the same way, or a cheap trip on a C-17 ferrying some cargo to the gulf - then maybe the airlines could start to reciprocate.

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:39 am

If you all feel really strongly that the forces should get NRSA travel, or cheap travel, why not have it that the nice soldier doesn't pay, but Uncle Sam pays for him. This way, the soldier gets his free flight, and the airlines get paid for the seat.

Or is this not fair for uncle sam ?, maybe the airlines should get stuck with the bill
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:26 am

Most carriers DO offer military fares in select markets.

However, these are NOT discounts off the low-priced, roundtrip excursion fares. Since military members traveling on orders typically require flexibility, these are discounted walkup, no-advance fares that do not carry fees for changes. They're also fully refundable.

Booking the airlines advance notice regular published rates offers a better fare, but with much less flexibility.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:38 am

The military already travels on discounted tickets.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 10:04 am

When I was a military brat, Canadian forces people travelled on Forces aircraft space available. I wouldn't be surprised if US military personnel had the same option for leisure travel. Otherwise, I'd say no to special treatment for the military, because where would it end? Police, doctors, priests, firefighters. and everyone else who felt special?
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 10:31 am

I can understand you arguement "Where would it stop", but I think we can all realize that being in the military is quite different than being a priest or even a firefighter. Many hardships fall upon our men and women in uniform due to their work and making it easier for them to see loved ones should be a benefit that we as civilians and civilian companies give them. I am not in the military and would not have a problem sitting next to a service member on a flight knowing that he paid a fraction of what I did.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:11 am

I think not. The reduced fare/NRSA travel is a benefit that is provided to employees and their family. In some ways it is the only compensation that PT employees get.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:28 am

Hey, if it happens, I'll take advantage. If not, oh well.

As for the uniform while traveling...there isn't a single regulation that spans across all branches of the U.S. military. That decision rests within different chains of command within each service. For example, AETC (the Air Force's training command) has a policy that requires members to wear their uniform while traveling within the continental U.S. on official USAF business. That requirement can be disregarded for trips that will connect with international flights or when duration of travel would be prohibitive to promoting a positive image in uniform.

By the way, travel in uniform is more of a recruiting thing than anything else. I just don't see how someone could perceive a few uniforms on a plane to be a benefit to security. Any half-witted hijacker would know that an ordinary service member isn't allowed any more freedom to carry a weapon than every other passenger.
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:52 am

I had a Marine on once and he said that they did get a special rate. I think its a nice idea, but we're in no position to give away any more seats. We're already giving away all the premium seats to our frequent fliers. I just worked a flight from LHR-JFK today and out of 17 F/C PAX, only 2 had paid a F/C fare. Everyone else used upgrade certificates. Whats up with that?

Speaking of their uniforms, I don't seem to see them as often anymore. This other time I had this guy going to LHR who came onboard in civilian clothes and then changed into his USMC uniform just before we landed. But if I see a military guy onboard I'll try to upgrade him to F/C if I've got room, especially if he's cute.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:19 pm

Kevi747,

Hope they're not taking you up on your upgrades. I'm fairly certain almost all branches prohibit members in uniform from flying in anything above coach. The rationale is that it would convey to the others that the government is sporting the bill for a premium seat.

About the only aviation benefit a service member can take currently is the frequent flier miles. President Bush authorized service members the ability to keep miles earned on gov't flights shortly after he took office.
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:27 pm

I have no problem with relaxing rules during times of a national crisis, or when troops are being called to active duty, but if they're just flying for vacation, or on personal business, I don't think it's appropriate.

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:32 pm

I just don't see how someone could perceive a few uniforms on a plane to be a benefit to security.

It is all in perception.

You know the military isn't trained for security. I sure as hell wasn't when I was in the Army. I am positive that any would be terrorist would know this.


But it would be a nice reinforcement for Mary Jane Public.

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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:00 pm


I think that in countries that have both conscription and flag airlines there's a point to be made for reduced rates.

Or if not that then reduced rates in public transport.
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:30 pm

To add to my previous statement. Military do get reduced rate travel if they are on orders not for personal travel. It is set up that way in the computer at least when I worked for ACA.
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:56 pm

The military already gets non rev travel. A military person or dependent can go to any Air Force Base and try to get space A travel on military transports. When I was in the Air Force my wife and I went to Hawaii that way.
 
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RE: Should Military Recieve Reduced/NRSA Travel?

Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:48 am

Ok; it seems like the general consensus here is that military should not recieve an additional reduced rate benefit on commercial airlines. Thanks everyone for the input.
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