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Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:31 pm

Hi all-

Is there any airport in the world that has a runway just for commuter aircraft like the Q400, EMB-125, CRJ-200, CRJ-700

 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:57 pm

Philadelphia (PHL) has one that is used extensively, although it is too short for CRJ and ERJ's.
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:13 pm

I think BWI has one and STL has a small runway that used to be a taxiway that they use for commuter aircraft.
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:22 pm

What about London City Airport?
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Sun Apr 27, 2003 8:01 pm

PDX uses 3/21 for feeder planes (FedEx, Ameriflight) and sometimes private planes like Piper Navajo. I have seen QX Dash 8s land on that one before too. BFI uses the shorter runway for Ameriflight and West Isle Air as well as the other private planes (Cessna 152/172 and the like).

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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:35 am

3/21 at PDX is also used for narrowbodies
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:39 am

PHL actually has two commuter runways, 17/35 (5459 ft.) and 8/26 (5000 ft)

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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:27 am

At BOS, 15L/33R (about 2300') is used for small GAs, Cape Air, and some Beech 1900Ds. The proposed 14/32 would be 5000', and dedicated to commuters, including the CRJ, ERJ, FRJ, and some 737/A32X (Shuttle flights, etc.)

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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:53 am

USFLyer MSP:

That is not entirely true. I see ERJs land on 26 allot, and sometimes the odd CRJ that is not too heavy. Now taking off is another matter entirely. I have never seen an RJ depart off of rwy 8 (no departures off of 26 permitted).
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 6:04 am

GRR has a shorter runway that can be used by commuters 8L/26R (5000 or so Ft) However the traffic loads aren't like those at PHL so it is mainly used for GA traffic
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:28 am

IAH's old runway 15R/33L was around 5000x100. When it was open I only ever saw ATRs and an occasional GA craft depart from it. Given the traffic volume and runway setup at IAH it was no wonder that they rebuilt to runway to handle jet aircraft. That way you can get 2 departure and 2 arrival runways operating at the sametime.

Given the rapid disappearance of turboprops at most major airports these smaller runways are becoming somewhat useless for the regional jets that are replacing them.
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:40 am

Given the rapid disappearance of turboprops at most major airports these smaller runways are becoming somewhat useless for the regional jets that are replacing them.

Isn't PHL's east-west commuter runway unidirectional too? It practically points right at three tall structures less than a half-mile away--two ground-control towers and the Marriott. Seemed like a dumb design to me, and only 5,000 feet long at the airport US has long designated for more RJ's. Fortunately US Express DeHavillands can still get use out of it when the wind's right.

PHL would do much better to move the ATCT to the terminal complex, move UPS to the northwest end of the field, and build a new 2-mile runway close to the river. That way, they'd have all-weather parallel mainline jet operations. PHL is an airport with a promising future, whether US survives or not. They'd serve their pax much better with that arrangement.

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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:43 am

Good point Doug....I have lots of picture's of our (AS) planes arriving on 21 in strong winds. What a blast!!!! ASSFO
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:51 am

EWR has a shorter runway that is used primarily for Commuter aircraft.
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:59 am

YQB's Runway 12-30 @ 5700 ft / 1737 m can pretty much only be used by turboprops.
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:09 am

And to add to what DCA-ROCguy said,
Runway 8/26 at PHL is restricted to landing west and departing east. So if the 27s are in use, which they usually are, then only landings on 26, parallel to the 27R jet arrivals. If the 9s are in use, then only departures on 8, and jets departing on 9L, so they can't really depart parallel and so the operation is just extremely slow and promotes very large delays. This runway would be much more effective if it had been made maybe 6000' or whatever ERJs and corporate jets would need. I hear very few jets landing on 26.

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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:29 am

Some additional comments regarding PHL:

It is an interesting place indeed. In addition to 8/26, 17/35 is used all the time by turboprop and small jet equipment unless the winds are REALLY screaming out of the east or west. What makes this so much fun is how the controllers space the traffic with the crossing runways. It usually goes something like this (I work for Piedmont):

ATC: Piedmont XXXX, do you have the 737 over the bridge in sight?

Me: Affirmative

ATC: Very good, cleared to land 35, land behind that 737 on a three mile final, he is going to 27R.

This is LOTS of fun  Yeah sure . You either have to land short of the intersection (less than 1000 feet from the threshold) or land well past the intersection of 35 and 27R in order the avoid the wake turbulence of the aircraft landing 27R. Loads of fun. I thought STL was bad when I flew out there, but PHL is just plain nuts.
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:39 pm

What about EYW 9/27 5000' I think the rwy is that lenght Big grin
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:42 pm

Isn't Atlanta working on buliding at commuter runway on the north side? ASSFO
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:55 pm

Washington Reagan National Airport has 15/33 (5200 ft.) for commuters. Since traffic is down at that airport I haven't noticed it in use lately.
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:41 pm

Massey:

We use 15/33 and 4/22 all the time at DCA.
 
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RE: Runway Just For Commuter Type Aircraft

Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:08 pm

Yeah.. ATL is building a new runway.. it's on the southside though... you can see all the dirt and stuff being torn down. Looks like its quite a ways away though. Haven't seen much change on it for a while.

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