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AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:49 am

Two AA route changes:

JFK-Orlando is cut 30 April 2003. AA operated three daily 757-200s on the route. Looks like they don't even want to bother with Song.

San Juan-Caracas is cut too, but only through 14 June 2003. However, traffic to Venezuela is back on the upside, and Miami-Caracas gets back its fifth daily after almost two years on 14 June 2003.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:53 am

I don't know why American operated MCO-JFK in the first place. JFK is no hub for American, just an airport where it has considerable operations heavily if not totally dependent on O&D traffic. American didn't belong in the MCO-JFK market (are you sure the MCO route was not operated out of LGA?) and this is precisely one of the many things that is wrong with the airline industry. Too many airlines serving the same place. Why would AA bother with MCO, a market it has no real leverage in, unlike JetBlue, Delta, and Continental, all of which cover it well from the NY area.

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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:13 am

(are you sure the MCO route was not operated out of LGA?)

They operate MCO-LGA as well with three daily MD80 flights. Thos will continue.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:20 am

When Will AA return to CCS from JFK? There is currently no one flying this route nonstop.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 6:42 am

I don't know why American operated MCO-JFK in the first place.

This was a former TWA route that American inherited.
 
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:09 pm

The flights will be cut from JFK but will go to LGA instead , if you check the flt schdl starting May1, we will have 6 daily LGA-MCO-LGA flights, the slots come from the 3x LGA-PBI that is discontinued APR30. I heard through the grapevine that LGA-FLL will go 757 for the summer season, yet to see.
 
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:01 pm

Having worked the MCO flights at JFK, I can assure you they were heavy,not a popular flight to be assigned to.I'll let you know if any of those MCO trips from LGA operate with a 757.

Supposedly one or two of those PBI flights may end up at JFK if the scuttle butt I'm hearing is true.

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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:48 pm

Aggghhh, bad news for the SJU route from CCS, although I never quite understood the economics of it.
Flyguy, indeed there is no direct JFK flight from CCS, however CO flies to EWR almost daily (5x a week I think), which is not a bad alternative. The CCS-JFK that AA flew had terrible loads, that´s why they ended it.
I´m glad to hear AA will have it´s 5 daily flights to MIA back, that route was having troubles with the general strike that lasted 2 months back in December of last year, VH had 3 daily flights and they´re only doing one now.

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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:09 pm

VH had 3 daily flights and they´re only doing one now.

They are doing two right now, and resuming Miami-Valencia non-stop flights in June. Right now, Valencia flights stop in Maracaibo.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:41 pm

...and this is precisely one of the many things that is wrong with the airline industry. Too many airlines serving the same place.

This is exactly what's RIGHT with the airline industry. Competition is a good thing, from a consumers standpoint, because it keeps airfares low (or lower than they would be).
 
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:11 am

This is exactly what's RIGHT with the airline industry. Competition is a good thing, from a consumers standpoint, because it keeps airfares low (or lower than they would be).

It's not right when no airline can make money because of a saturated market. Competition is good, but when it becomes too much to the point that there are no winners (except for the consumer), it's not good. Airlines need to make money at the same time as attracting customers.

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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:25 am

Delta flies JFK-MCO, jetBlue flies JFK-MCO. And once you got Blue and DL in a route, your most likely not spelling a route to success. Plus it's a point-to-point service, which American doesn't feed any connections on. The cut of the SJU-CCS will probably begin spelling the way for intra-carribean services by US. Right now US serves PHL,PIT,CLT-Carribean, but i could see A319s going within the Carribean, or E145s, if their financial status gets better.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:38 am

The cut of the SJU-CCS will probably begin spelling the way for intra-carribean services by US

I don't see what the two have anything to do with each other. SJU-CCS is being cut only until 14 June. Then it resumes as a daily 737-800. The main purpose of the flight is to serve wealthy Venezuelans who love to vacation in the Cairbbean.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:32 am

you have to pick and chose the routes where you want to compete vigorously. Trying to do it when an established player (DL) with a pending low cost arm, and a highly successful low cost airline already in that market is a recipe for failure. American has no business serving MCO from either JFK or from LGA, except to serve its loyal FF base. Other than that, it does not need this route or this market.

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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:53 am

The infamous CCS-SJU suspended again, does it surprise me? Not at all.
I believe a daily 737-800 (which I think continues to MCO)is to much capacity for that route, AAEagle evaluated the route a couple of years ago (not quite sure if they indeed operated the route). But it's a route AAEagle would have no problem operating it with the ATR72, even on a daily basis.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:56 pm

American has no business serving MCO from either JFK or from LGA, except to serve its loyal FF base. Other than that, it does not need this route or this market.

The passenger demand for the route is there,the flights from LGA and JFK are always heavy.Once the summer peak travel season is over three of the MCO flights will in all probability be shifted back to JFK.

Not having a presence in the NYC-FLA market is detrimental to the marketing of the product as a whole.Airlines tout their networks,if your network doesn't give you the option of going to see the Mouse without an OAL connection your network is lacking and is vunerable.

As for the comment about feed,the JFK feed is indeed lacking with the drawdown of the majority of the Eagle flying there,but Eagle at LGA provides a sizeable ammount of feed.

I see connection bags from many Eagle cities on the MCO flights on a daily basis,as well as a decent number of OAL connection bags.
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RE: AA Cuts MCO-JFK/suspends SJU-CCS

Wed Apr 30, 2003 5:05 am

MAH,

what I meants was that VH is only doing CCS-MIA-CCS once a day. I know this for a fact because I just landed in Miami from CCS with VH. They get to MIA at 1310 and return to CCS at 1450.

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