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Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:03 am

Look at question 7 in a customer service training quiz made by Virgin Atlantic. This was obtained by the smoking gun and was used in an employment discrimination suit.


 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:12 am

D? I really dont see what is wrong with this question, it is legitimate, especially after 9/11. You dont want the ticket agent passing him over, nor do you want to overreact. I mean, lets face it, nearly all of the 9/11 hijackers had this same profile.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:15 am

"May I hold your gun, sir?"

Hilarious. But is it real?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:19 am

Correct answer is obviously 'D'. Is the question racist? That is debatable just like profiling is at airports.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:31 am

I like c !
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:36 am

Many multiple-choice tests contain some silly possible answers. In this case, the attempt was meant to be funny but it is obviously in poor taste.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:37 am

Aside from the sarcastic answers, it is not out of line during these times. Any hint of something that may suggest getting a second, or third opinion, is encouraged. Where to draw the line? That's debatable. But one cannot be too careful these days.

And, those answers I refered to as "sarcastic". . .I would tend to think they are "red flags" that Virgin is trying to implant into the minds of their employees who complete this exam. Nothing wrong with that. . .just teaching them what to be aware of.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:46 am

What if the passenger is a 22 year old WHITE American doing the same thing?
What if the same passenger HAS an 'arabic' sounding name?
What if the passenger is Arabic looking but is a woman?
What if the passenger is an African-American?
What if the passenger is asian and is wearing a mask?
What if the passenger is asian, looks sick, is wearing a "MaoTseTung" T-shirt?
What if the passenger is .... etc etc
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:52 am

What if the passenger asks for an exit row seat?

a. Laugh
b. Laugh and say "we don't have exit rows."
c. Laugh once more, and call security.
d. Smile and give them the seat in Row 75 with no recline.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:56 am

Sorry folks, but a man or woman of American, Asian, European, or Australian origin can be just as dangerous as a person of Arabic origin (let me just throw the name Timothy McVeigh in this discussion). I've seen people before that I found freaky. Yet, do not judge people because they happen to fit into your stereotype of a terrorist. I can absolutely understand if a VS employee of Arabic origin used such training material in an employment discrimination suit against VS if the "correct" answer is indeed supposed to be d.

It is the responsibility of airport security to screen you correctly but not the responsibility of a check-in agent that comes to silly conclusions if he sees that a passenger holds a SOTO ticket paid for by cash. And it is the obligation to of airport security to check every passenger equally thoroughly. No matter how suspicious or unsuspicious a person might look.

Do not judge individuals by the color of their skin. This is where all the problems start. We are all human beings. Really no difference.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:01 am

They need one more question:

What if the passenger is Courtney Love?

a. Tell her the flight is full and send her to BA.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:14 am

It can be argued that the question is there to find out if the applicant is racist.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:15 am

With or without friend trying to bunk it up in first too ?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:47 am

"It is the responsibility of airport security to screen you correctly but not the responsibility of a check-in agent that comes to silly conclusions if he sees that a passenger holds a SOTO ticket paid for by cash."

Actually in the US it is the responsibility of check-in to inform regardless of race people who pay with cash and fly one-way.
As for the question of this quiz being racist, I do not feel it is. The 1st three questions are silly but "D" is right.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:51 am

Now if you replaced the word "Arabic" with the word "American" there are certain individuals here who would shout that VAA are anti-american. In other words, whatever ethnic group was used as a example, someone would find it objectionable.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:14 am

Well, I see nothing wrong here people. As said, in light of today's issues, it is unfortunately those of Arabic origin who will be under more scrutiny than those of none Arabic origin; America has had many dealings with the middle east region, and they seem to be very unpopular in this part of the world; armed resistance against American or British interests is probably more likely to be undertaken by people from that part of the world, these are of course people who are "Arabic". That is my guess.

Oh, I agree that the potential to carry out terrorist activities is not limited to any one people, but because of world events, the probability is higher of people from certain regions. To me, it makes sense, and I am no racist.

Also be aware that silly questions are asked in some tests; many driving test questions in Britain ask what you do when you seen an old lady cross the road, possible answers include "run her over at suitable speed" and "slow down whilst simoultaneously hurling appropriate verbal abuse"........yes, true, I took my test in Britain....
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:35 am

Sure D is the correct answer.

And sure it is racism.

The rasism came in when Bin Laden chose his 19 people for his 9-11 job from one single ethnic group.

If he instead had chosen one Dane, one Australian, one Jew, one Texan, one Lichtensteiner etc., then the qustion would probably have been different.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:42 am

I forgot to say a few things...

1. I don't know when the quiz itself was made, but I think it might have been made before 9/11

2. The quiz also mentioned blind people who also took offense to the quiz
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:59 am

Well Airworthy, before or after 9-11, it doesn't matter. Sure it was after the 1971 hijackings (which you according to your profile don't remember).

...blind people who also took offense to the quiz
If people take offence to security messures - performed for their own safety - then they should stay at least ten miles away from any airport.

If I happened to be an Arab, knowing that millions of fellow Arabic people jumped up and down with joy on 9-11, then I wouldn't feel safe if I wasn't seached especially carefully when boarding a plane.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:19 am

I personally don't think it's a racist question, however it is racist technically.

I'm sure someone can continue on from my answer. I dunno how to explain that it isn't but is.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:44 am

This is not a racist question. We cannot and should not be blind to the fact that there IS INDEED a profile of a potential terrorist. Why not use this fact to our advantage and implement that in the security screening process. Let's face it folks: there aren't any white, American men taking over commercial airliners and flying them into buildings to kill thousands. Does this mean that it won't happen? Of course not; in this day and age, I think most would agree that ANYTHING is possible.

It would be negligent of an airline to avoid covering such volatile issues with gate agents. In fact I would imagine that an airline would be making itself vulnerable to a lawsuit in this increasingly litigious society we live in if they had no such training and suffered a terrorist incident. The afore-mentioned passenger in question 7 should indeed raise a red flag and if an agent is not trained to recognize that fact than there is a problem.

Will this policy offend some people? I would imagine, and that is indeed unfortunate. But these are strange times we are living in. I would rather somebody's feelings get hurt at check-in than risk another 9/11.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:55 am

That's it!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:59 am

I agree that, while question #7 may be racist, it is necessary to prevent another easily avoidable terrorist attack. I think Pmcdonald said it best: I would rather somebody's feelings get hurt at check-in than risk another 9/11. Unfortunately, hurt feelings are the least of the airline's concern. This is a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don't. According to the original post, Virgin Atlantic is being sued for racism. But on the other hand, if gate agents were not prepared for this scenario, and an individual matching this description committed a terrorist attack on a flight, the airline would be sued for negligence in granting that person a boarding pass.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic Racist Question...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:23 pm

No where on that sheet of paper is indicated it is a Virgin Atlantic test! And as someone said the facts to look for are: one-way ticket paid in cash, not the origin of the pax.