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Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 1:40 am

I am wondering why Lufthansa chose Portland,OR as an Destination?
There is neither a United Hub, nor a lot of Business Passengers!!!!
Will it fly yearround????
What do you think???
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johnnybgoode
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RE: Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 1:48 am

there is supposed to be a lot of business pax, NIKE, adidas, freightliner...
it´s a year round flight, and so far the load factor is pretty good, however, it´s mostly some inexpensive ticket deals and specials to promote the new service.

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Paulianer
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RE: Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 2:09 am

Lufthansa operate the only nonstop service to Europe from PDX, so that is a very good reason isn't it? Lufthansa has so many bookings for PDX, but pax always had to change in Chicago... So they decided that PDX is very good as a new destination... and to my knowledge, the flights are very full in the moment...

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kwbl
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RE: Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 2:33 am

I was on the flight a couple of weeks ago and the LF going there was pretty high and coming back was decent. I agree with johnnybgoode that some of that is because of the great airfares. However, this is not exactly a peak time period for travel to Europe (especially with the world events) so the route is off to a good start. A LH official stated a week or so prior to the start up, when asked if the flight would commence, that the bookings through the summer were very strong and they were pleased with the response. The Portland business community worked very hard in attracting LH with incentives and "pledges" that they would purchase roughly $10million per year in business class tickets. In addition, LH is not paying landing fees or lease space for the next 1-2 years I believe. The other thing to keep in mind is that this is the only NS flight from PDX so the hope is that LH will be the primary choice to all of Europe and beyond. The community is very excited to have LH here-I think is has a decent chance of succeeding.
 
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RE: Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 2:48 am

while PDX is certainly no hub, it does have UAL code share flights to many smaller communities (and close by major cities) on skywest
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thomacf
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RE: Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 5:51 am

I bet this won't last. Remember the LH flight to CLT, same size market and that is a big hub. LH was codesharing with US Airways and that didn't work even with all that connecting traffic. I bet this PDX flight will be summer service at best next year.
 
KAL_LM
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RE: Will LH FRA-PDX Last?

Thu May 01, 2003 1:52 pm

Yes, at least for a year. Like Kwbl noted, LH is getting some very strong incentives from the Port of Portland for their service here. Add to that the "travel bank" worked out betweenthe business community, LH, and the Port, and you have some decent reasons to stay, but really only for this year.

Whether the flight lasts in its current configuration past the first year is anyone's guess. With the instability in both air travel and Oregon's economy, it's a crap shoot. They may see very strong numbers and keep it a daily, or those numbers may not pan out and LH will reduce the frequency. If the Port can generate feed into the flight it can do very well. The only competition to Europe (non-stop) is in SEA (BA and SK) and regardless of what some people think, the 3 hour drive can be worth it. (a friend of my wife's came from Norway to my wedding saved signifcantly to fly into SEA vc PDX, we spent $20 on gas and 6 hours drive time...much better than the $300 she would have had to pay). I can tell you though, freight loads are pretty good, higher than even LH expected, so at least that is panning out for them...

Bottom line though is that it is waaaaay to early to start betting on LH's stay in PDX.

regards,
Tom
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