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No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 10:53 am

Recently CO suspended EWR-HKG service until June 12, 2003. I just heard at EWR from a fellow coworker that CO will just stop serving this route all together. And also EWR-LGW will remain once daily and EWR-CDG once daily, and EWR-TLV only 4 flights a week, through out the whole summer. I hope these are just rumors. Can anyone confirm this if this is true?


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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 11:01 am

Officially, the EWR-HKG route is supposed to be restarted by early June. I am not convinced it will. There continues to be many more reported cases of SARS in Hong Kong, business and tourism travel to the region is plummeting, and my guess is that unless demand picks up, Continental will not resume the flight until market conditions improve.

The EWR-CDG/LGW routes may or may not resume double daily service, all depending on demand.

I would be surprised if EWR-TLV is reduced to four times a week. Despite the trouble in the Middle East, the route performs quite well for CO and the airline said it was not planning to stop the flight during the Iraq War as demand has remained robust.

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 11:51 am

Unless CO finds another contractor to do heavy maintenance on their 777s they will re start the flights to HKG, it just might be delayed a little longer if SARS continues to spread.
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 12:32 pm

TLV will be daily, it is more or less oversold every day of the year, war or no war. HKG will restart when sars gets under control, and LGW will be double daily during the summer. London flights that are currently 1x daily are totally oversold most days as it is.

CDG on the other hand doesn't seem to be recovering, I have a feeling that the link up with NW / KLM is affecting this more than anything else, as Continental will now route more pax through AMS than CDG due to no longer having the codeshare with AF.

IAH-CDG is suffering also, and is now 6x weekly instead of 7x

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 12:58 pm

I highly doubt CO would ever end service to LGW, CDG or FRA as those are the three most popular transoceanic destinations.

As for HKG, it wouldn't surprise me to see CO end service... aircraft can be ferried from NRT to HKG for maintenance and it’d free up three B777 to deploy elsewhere.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 1:06 pm

and it’d free up three B777 to deploy elsewhere
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At the moment there is not demand to put those three 777's that you just pulled to work. As it is there is a few overnight 777's in IAH.

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 2:30 pm

I highly doubt CO would ever end service to LGW, CDG or FRA as those are the three most popular transoceanic destinations.
Well I can't see FRA being that popular for CO anymore. They used to operate 2 dailies there in the summer (back around 1996 or so) and with the arrival of the 777 the DC-10 got replaced by it which later got replaced by the 764. So if it was really that popular than CO would have kept the 777 on the route and probably would have also kept the summer double-daily.

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 2:46 pm

CO never really seemed to put all that much effort into FRA.

Amazing that LH can secure enough high yield to operate feed-less IAH nonstops... but CO doesnt even offer FRA nonstop from its superhub!
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 2:48 pm

Max,

I should clarify my statement: LON, PAR and FRA are the three most popular transoceanic destinations from the USA; I highly doubt CO would end service to any of the three, even if it meant flying B752 from EWR.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 2:50 pm

I guess the most reliable source is from my friend who works in CO at HKG. Right now the route is still under suspension and have planned to re-start on 12th June but a high possibility that the date will be deferred.

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 6:45 pm

Oh, please, don't suspend it!!
I learned a while ago that it's the longest non-stop segment in service, am I wrong or right?
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 7:28 pm

I learned a while ago that it's the longest non-stop segment in service, am I wrong or right?

SA - New Jersey">EWR-HKG-SA - New Jersey">EWR has long time been the longest scheduled nonstop roundtrip since it was initiated... though SA's nonstop SA - Georgia">ATL-JNB and SA - Georgia">ATL-CPT segments are longer.
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 8:28 pm

Oh, great! Thans for the info, ConcordeBoy
I live in Atlanta and I'm planning myself to take that flight to JNB soon!!
What about the EWR-HKG route? Is it true that it's the only one passing exactly over the North Pole, or at least the one that passes the closer to it?
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 8:30 pm

I think if traffic picks up and if there's profit to be made, then why not restart? Ther've got the route rights, they've got staff, offices, computers, agreements with ground handling, maintenance, crew hotels etc.. It's not that hard.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 11:09 pm

I think it’s highly likely that CO will defer the resumption date. Even if the SARS outbreak was already contained here in Hong Kong (when the WHO lifts its travel warning advisory on HK), it would take at least 5-6 months for travel demand into the SAR to pick up again. It will still be on people’s minds.

And despite the declining infection rate in Hong Kong, the outbreak is still there and hasn’t been totally eliminated.

You know, in a way, this is sort of the September 11 for Hong Kong....

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 11:29 pm

You know, in a way, this is sort of the September 11 for Hong Kong....

Interesting observation.

Of course, this attack was brought on by mother nature instead of fellow man; that makes it a lot spookier  Sad
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Thu May 01, 2003 11:40 pm

Yes, I fully agree, but this has also drastically changed our daily lives here, and it has brought trauma to many people even though it’s only been about a month and a half since the onset of the outbreak. Just looking back at my above post, I think it was an inappropriate comparison & not a sensible analogy.

Forget I said it…..

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 12:07 am

EWR-HKG is the flagship route for CO, and the airline fought hard to keep the route running even after 9/11 - its frequency has varied from 4 times per week to daily. I think CO will try to re-start this route at the appropriate time, but I do not expect service to resume this June.

Look for the 777s to be assigned to the European services, some of the routes to Europe are beginning to recover (again); 777s will fly both the EWR-AMS and IAH-AMS services due to KLM connection; and, its also likely that the 777 will operate one of the IAH-HNL flights on a year round basis. Also look for a second EWR-TLV 777 flight when the middle east situation calms down and tourism returns to Israel.....CO has promised a second flight on that route for 2 years running and did not operate it due to lack of tourism, the one daily flight runs full even with the tensions in that part of the world. Other 777 plans include nonstops from EWR and/or IAH to Osaka.....but again, the world economy must be a bit stronger for this servcie to commence.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 12:32 am

Yeah, I understand CO was at one point considering suspending HKG services altogether after 9/11, after only almost 2 years of servicing HKG. There was much media frenzy when they launched flights to HKG. It’s proved to be an extremely popular flight with business people & tourists alike. Actually a friend of mine flew on one of the last flights before the suspension and he said the flight was about three quarters full, so even back then (March 31st) when the outbreak was at its peak level in Hong Kong, loads were doing very well.

I seem to remember reading that Gordon Bethune captained the inaugural flight to HKG? Is that true?

It’s amazing how this virus, that appeared out of nowhere (well considering the circumstances that led to the outbreak in China, this was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode), has caused travel demand to fall to unprecedented levels in the Asian aviation industry.

CO operates 2 daily flights to NRT, yeah? EWR-NRT-EWR & IAH-NRT-IAH?

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 12:59 am

CO operates 2 daily flights to NRT, yeah? EWR-NRT-EWR & IAH-NRT-IAH

The latter flight I believe runs IAH-NRT-GUM-NRT-IAH





Other 777 plans include nonstops from EWR and/or IAH to Osaka

Expand on this please
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 1:34 am

Actually Continental has six daily flights to and from NRT; daily service NRT-IAH and NRT-EWR, three daily NRT-GUM flights, and a 6-times-weekly NRT-SPN flight. (The flights to GUM/SPN are CO Micronesia.) CO has also been in Hong Kong for quite a long time through the Micronesia subsidiary.

I believe CO did offer two EWR-TLV flights briefly.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 2:03 am

As I understand it, the primary reason that we do not have more international flights here at IAH is gate space. Look for a bunch of new international destinations after terminal E and the new immigration facilities open up.
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 5:35 am

"I seem to remember reading that Gordon Bethune captained the inaugural flight to HKG? Is that true?"

Gordon is certified/qualified to fly 757s and 767s, and he often flies these aircraft to Houston from Seattle on delivery flights.

However he does not fly 777s, and does not fly revenue flights.
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 6:05 am

I mentioned the possibility of CO service to Osaka in my post above regarding CO's usage of the 777, pre 9/11 there were serious rumors that CO would introduce service from Houston and/or Newark to Osaka, in addition to the Tokyo service, to expand their presence in the Japanese market......I think the rumors were very serious and it was said that Osaka would be the next city after the Hong Kong service was established. What I heard is that EWR-Osaka would be daily, and later a 4 times per week IAH-Osaka service would follow.

Then came 9/11 and everything else that has followed since, including the downturn in the world economy, and now SARS, and CO service to Osaka is not talked about very much; however, when things turn around, I am sure that CO will revisit its plans to serve more cities in the Far East out of its hubs with its 777s and look for the Hong Kong service to be reinstated on a daily basis with plans to open Osaka to follow thereafter.

 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 10:14 am

To correct some errors above, Continental operates EWR, IAH, and GUM to NRT. The EWR-NRT route was reduced from daily to four times a week for the month of April due to the war. I am not sure if it is back up to daily service.

CO has operated double daily service from EWR to TLV in the past. In 2000 in fact and the airline has the authority and the slots to do so. It does not do so now because demand just isn't there to merit twice daily service, but as the only US carrier operating to Israel, CO does very well on the route.

SARS is not Hong Kong's September 11th. That is an insenstive, offensive and innacurate statement. September 11th was mass murder of innocent lives by sadistic and ultimately satanic perverts. SARS is an unfortunate biological occurance, mismanaged by an ineffective and disorganized government. In terms of SARS' effect on aviation in Asia, yes, it can be likened to the post 9/11 weeks, but don't compare the two.

 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 12:12 pm

Dutchjet,

CO applied for EWR-KIX around the same time they did so for EWR/IAH-NRT, but I don't think they were awarded EWR-KIX.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 2:03 pm

Dutchjet, CO doesn't serve KIX.


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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Fri May 02, 2003 3:11 pm

Continental *does* serve KIX, but it's Continental Micronesia from GUM. And ContinentalEWR, CO Micronesia also flies SPN-NRT.

OK, CO Micronesia does have its own code (CS) but they're using CO's planes and pilots...
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sat May 03, 2003 10:15 pm

I checked, and EWR-TLV is running daily this summer as I thought. Others posters are correct, it is a successful operation even during bad times in the middle east.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sat May 03, 2003 11:44 pm

Back in '98 when the open skies agreement was established with Japan CO was awarded rights for..

IAH-NRT
EWR-NRT
A second daily HNL-NRT flight (they were flying HNL-NRT untill about 2000, the route is currently dormant but can be activated at anytime), they never flew the second daily HNL-NRT flight.

Also HNL-KIX, this flight was never launched either.
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 1:52 am

CAL cannot restart HNL-NRT without reacquiring slots. The DOT refused to waive dormancy restrictions and took back CAL's slots a few months ago.

As far as I know, DOT now has a pool of available slots for several international routes. Getting HNL-NRT back should be a simple matter of asking the DOT, provided CAL asks first, something they are not good at doing. They don't want to operate a route unless profits are assured; other lines are willing to bear more initial losses and thus will probably get the slots first.

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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 3:28 am

Back in '98 when the open skies agreement was established with Japan

IINM, there is no Open Skies agreement between the USA and Japan
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 3:47 am

Then why in 1998 was CO allowed to launch EWR, IAH-AA), Japan">NRT

DL-ATL, JFK AA), Japan">NRT

AA, JFK, BOS, LAX-AA), Japan">NRT?
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 4:44 am

hate to break this to you, but slots becoming available (which can be the result of default by another carrier, operational refinements, relaxed restrictions, operation-time shift, etc) does not correlate to an Open Skies agreement being signed  Laugh out loud
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 5:13 am

There was an agreement (whether it was open skies or not) which allowed the extra US-Japan frequencies.
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 8:46 am

CO serves KIX from DTW (also NRT from JFK, DTW, SFO, LAX, SEA) with codeshare with the Red Tail.

When CO and its other USA alliance partner join SkyTeam, I would think flights to CDG, MXP and CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO would start to grow. Then again, CO could just put their code on the SkyTeam partners' flights, keeping its own aircraft free.
 
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RE: No More EWR-HKG For CO

Sun May 04, 2003 12:18 pm

CO has already had codeshares with AF and Alitalia in the past, did not stop them from flying their own flights.
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