patroni
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Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Fri May 02, 2003 8:37 am

Hello,

as I understand, the Fokker 28 ist still used by regional carriers (AC Jazz?) in Canada. Therefore I have a couple of questions :

On which routes are they mainly used? Is there already a date set when they will be phased out? Is the F28 Mk 1000 still in service or are these all 4000's?

What about the USA, I think after Horizon retired the F28, there's no other carrier continuing to use it, or?

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Tom
 
AirCanadaMan
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Fri May 02, 2003 8:43 am

Canadian North picked up two from Air Canada Regional (before they became Jazz), C-FTAY and C-FTAR. There are no plans to replace them at this time.

Both are MK1000's and fly between Edmonton, Calgary, Yellowknife and Inuvik (Zubko)

 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Fri May 02, 2003 9:01 am

These are the only 2 remaining F28s in scheduled service in North America.
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Fri May 02, 2003 9:06 am

The entire Fokker F28 fleet has already been retired from AC's fleet in 2002, though Canadian North did pick two of them up, like AirCanadaMan said. Most were flown to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan for storage awaiting disposal or perhaps to be sold to customers. They are all Mk 1000s.
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sat May 03, 2003 9:48 am

Thanks a lot for all your replies!

So far I only flew on the Mk 4000, so maybe it would be a good idea to visit Canada this year  Smile Would also be a good opportunity to fly on the HS 748 further north...

Best regards,

Tom
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sat May 03, 2003 9:59 am

Remember Empire Air? They flew lots of F28 in the 1980's.
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sat May 03, 2003 6:17 pm

So there are a bunch of Fokker 28's out there looking for homes.....

Hmmmm.

That is one airplane that I am surprised never made it to the Alaskan Bush market.

Of course Fokker's reputation was pretty much shot up here after Wien had the wing come off that F-27 over Illiamna in the 70's.

Question. Would it be possible to get an F-28 off of 3900 feet with a commerically viable load of passengers.
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 04, 2003 5:37 am

US used to operate the F28 mk 1000 in and out of IAD. As well as the F100.
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 04, 2003 6:39 am

US Airways inherited the F28-4000 from Piedmont Airlines and operated them in the Northeast a lot until the mid 1990's. Prior to that, Piedmont operated a number of them, as did Empire Airlines.

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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 04, 2003 6:42 am

Some of the Jazz fleet were Piedmont and UsAir at one time.
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 04, 2003 2:17 pm

Hey guys. To follow up on my earlier question About getting a Fokker 28 into 3900 feet.

The two airports that I am thinking of have a 3900 foot and a 4000 foot length respectively. The shorter of the two does currently have 737 service. The biggest thing the last airport had as far as service was Lockheed Electra's. Currently I belive it gets either Metro's or Saab 340's.

The typical takeoff distance I have for the 737 is 5500 feet. Knowing that 737's make it into that 3900 foot strip, Can I apply a simular shortening of the landing roll for the F-28.

Anway I thought I would show a photo of each of the airports in question to show what I am talking about.



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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 04, 2003 10:51 pm

I wonder are there any good condition BAe 146's or Avro RJ85's still around.

Given the STOL capability of these planes they're perfect for SDP and DUT operations. That's why I was disappointed that AC didn't get the RJX100, which would have provided lots of safety margins in Canada's harsh winter conditions.
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Mon May 05, 2003 2:59 am

Hello all,

Thought I would update everyone on the Canadian Regional/Air Canada Fokker F.28s up in Saskatoon (YXE):

There are currently 15 parked outside surrounding a hangar with 3 more inside the hangar:

Outside:
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C-FPCR
C-FJRI
C-GTAH
C-GTIZ
C-FCRW
C-FCRM
C-GTEO
C-FCRC
C-GYCR
C-FANA
C-FCRB
C-FZCR
C-FQCR
C-FCRI
C-FCRK

Hangared:
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C-FTAV
C-FFCR
C-GKCR

Rumor is the hangared ones are going to Aero Continente in Peru plus maybe some others.

...Serge
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Mon May 05, 2003 6:57 am

@Serge : Thanks for the additional info. Do you know if it is possible to access the airport in Saskatoon to take photos of the Fokkertjes or would that bring me to jail when I should decide to go to Canada?

I am actually thinking of doing a trip on the Canadian North F28 from Calgary to Yellowknife this summer and would love to combine this with Air North's HS 748 from Whitehorse to Fairbanks. Now the question is : How do I get from Yellowknife to Whitehorse? I understand there's an ATR flight of First Air, but I guess this one is not available at a peanuts fare, especially oneway...

Cheers,

Tom
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Mon May 05, 2003 7:28 am

I don't think security in Saskatoon is too bad, if there is any at all. There are 6 here in YYC that are floating around.

If I were you, sooner is better, as rumours are spreading about Canadian North and their F-28's, and just how long they will stay.
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serge
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Mon May 05, 2003 3:25 pm

Hi Tom,

Security should be no problem at YXE, at least it wasn't for me both times I went up there to photograph them (with the most recent being May 3rd this year  Smile/happy/getting dizzy). I lingered around for so long and still no one asked me what I was doing. Drop me an email if you want some more info.. (I would send one to you but its withheld)

BTW, C-GTUU (11006) is now OB-1779 of Aero Continente, S.A - left for Peru recently.

Mark, were there more at YYC last year? They must have moved some or something because there are 4 more total at YXE then last time I was there. And that doesn't count the ones that left and the new ones that arrived if that makes any sense...

regards,
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Tue May 06, 2003 5:28 am

Hello Tom,

Our First Air fares from YZF to YXY on the ATR start at about $525 CDN one-way, taxes included. We fly the route Mon, Wed, Fri. We have 2 Hawkers based in YZF, but only use them as backup on the sked runs. The rest of the time they're doing charters and flights to the mines. Our scheduled Hawkers are all in the east out of YFB.
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Tue May 06, 2003 7:05 am

There were 10 here at one point, so we are down to 6. The ones that are remaining don't look like they will ever fly again.
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Tue May 06, 2003 7:23 am

Patroni:

Screw flying between YZF and YXY, especially aboard First Air. Their ATR's are nothing special, and you can fly those back home quite easily. If youre going to come all this way, make it worth your while.

You can take the Canadian North F-28 from Calgary, (or Edmonton) to Yellowknife, spend a few days around here, then take their F-28 again to Inuvik. Inuvik is a great place, on the edge of the Beaufort Sea and the Mackenzie River, and is great outdoorsman place. After you spend some time there, hop on an Air North HS748 to either Dawson City or Old Crow (also great places), and from either of those places you can go to Fairbanks, again on Air North and on a HS748.

It'll be the adventure of your lifetime. If you can afford it, do it that way. It'll be much more memorable.

Oh, when and if you make it up here, (Yellowknife) you'll have a heck of a fun time. Its a great place.
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Tue May 06, 2003 7:50 am

Hi again,

Ui, especially AirCanadaMan's trip proposal sounds great, the only problem is that I have quite limited time between YYC and FAI (have to adapt to our airlines schedules there). However will think about it and also see if it is possible to get some nonrev discounts on any of these carriers, provided that they are not too heavy booked in summer (I fear so though...)

@Serge : Will send you an email later...

Cheers,

Tom
 
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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 11, 2003 2:49 am

Hi all,

Thought you guys might enjoy these:


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Still got more on the way hopefully  Big thumbs up

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RE: Fokker 28 In Canada/USA?

Sun May 11, 2003 12:52 pm

The Peruvians are welcome to TUU. It was a bit of a bear to work on because it was so old (1969) that it didn`t match the rest of the fleet. Some components were in different locations, wiring was different, a lot of small details. Overall the F28s were OK, though.