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Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:27 am

It was only a matter of time but Lawyers are finally having their say about the blame for 9-11.

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030501&cat=news&st=newsattackairlinesdc


In laymens terms AA and UA as well as Boeing the WTC and other airlines where responsible for the hijackers getting into the cockpit.

Apparently, the defendents negligently misused thier crystal ball to determine how, what, where, and when.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Is this lawyer sueing the CIA for failing to come up with the intelligence to stop the attacks? No. Is this lawyer suing the FBI because they had agents warning of suspicious activity and did nothing to investigate. No. Is he suing the Bin Laden Company whose proceed enable the 9-11 attacks? No.

Instead he is suing two companies that lost employees in defence of said victims. Companies who were victims themselves. Companies who's employees where told by the Government what policies should be followed to keep thier charges safe. HE SUEING THE TARGET!! He suing the manufacturer of the PLANE?!

I am sorry to any lawyers in this forum, but this kind of twisted logic makes me sick. This kind of dispicable display of greed on the part of the lawyer is ridiculous.

Sometimes terrrible things happen to good people. Its a shame when it happens. But negligence is not to blame when men calculate and plot and plan to exploit every weakness they can find in a system. Its negligence when you know what could happen and do not prepare for it. No rational, sane compassionate human being could possibly have imagined the horrendous acts of 9-11. If they could they where of like mind with the hijackers.

If this lawyer thinks those in charge should have known about the tactics of 9-11, then I challege him to dissern what the next terrorist attack will be. If it is so logical, he should have no trouble telling us all where the next attack will happen.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:39 am

It is the actions of lawyers like this that threaten our freedoms in the US. Because companies and governmental agencies fear liability and the potential catasthrophic judgements that can be awarded they protect themselves with blanket policies...ie..."you can't watch airplanes from here..." "You can't loiter anywhere near the airport..."

No one honestly envisioned this type of attack prior to 9-11, but of course in the aftermath everyone claimed that "someone should have known."

We should be concentrating on fixing the problems that face us, especially security. But instead we chase liability and try to pin blame on someone.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:45 am

Something tells me this lawsuit is going to get laughed out of court so fast.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:52 am

B757300, what is it that tells you this lawsuit will get laughed out of court? Sad thing is, while we all look at this and roll our eyes, myself included, according to the law, there could in fact be a case here. It could be proven beyond reasonable doubt that if the airlines had taken such and such a measure, this wouldn't happen, same with Boeing, etc. It's the sad reality of the American legal system, whereby any portion of the blame can get the above in serious trouble. Seems to me this lawyer could in fact have a very strong case, unfortunately, and that's no laughing matter.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 11:01 am

Some (no, most) plantiff's Lawyers will literally look up names in the phone book to sue when big cases come up. That is because just about every business is tied to every other in some way. What they care about is how much money they can extort out of a business, not how much actual harm was done by them. It does not matter if the case is laughed out of court. These sharks want their victims to settle. - because there is always the risk of the court taking the case and giving them a moron jury. 99 times out of 100 this won't happen but the 1 time it does is when you get an outrageous verdict that could drive you out of business. Even the fees from your own attorneys, combined with all of the time you are forced to waste, could be a major loss to your busisness. This kind of behavior from lawyers is about as newsworthy as some "great new deal" advertised by a used car salesman.

A question for Europeans - is the continental, Napoleonic-code descended legal system as crazy as the system we have in the US? Do your countries squander as much of your country's resources in the legal system as we do? Is your system as arbitrary and unpredictable as ours is? I have always had the impression that we in the US have the worst civil law system in the industrialized world. But perhaps I am speaking out of ignorance, so I have to ask.... Is it really this bad everywhere else as well, or is this only an American folly?
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 11:12 am

B757300, what is it that tells you this lawsuit will get laughed out of court? Sad thing is, while we all look at this and roll our eyes, myself included, according to the law, there could in fact be a case here. It could be proven beyond reasonable doubt that if the airlines had taken such and such a measure, this wouldn't happen, same with Boeing, etc. It's the sad reality of the American legal system, whereby any portion of the blame can get the above in serious trouble. Seems to me this lawyer could in fact have a very strong case, unfortunately, and that's no laughing matter.

Actually, the reasonable doubt standard does not apply in this case as it is civil. Another, lower, standard is used called "proponderance of the evidence". Still, it is not enouh to prove that if there was more security 9/11 would not happen. The question is was iy reasonable to take those added security measures. I don't think it was, or is.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 12:30 pm

My assertion is that the federal goverment should be named in this suit as well if the laywers argument is valid.

1) He is suing the WTC leasing company but not the Pentagon
2) Intellegence information that was not acted on or passed on to the people who could tighten security was not passed on. (FBI)
3) WHO has deeper pockets than the Federal goverment? They are as much to blame for policies and negligence as Boeing, the NY/NJ Port Authority, UA and AA.

Should the NYPD and FDNY be sued as well? If not for their inablility to plan and prepare for this the lawyers clients loved ones would have lived. Gross negligence on the part of the City of NY to not know that this was going to happen and stop it.

Take this laywers argument to its logical conclusion and it makes not sense. But he convienently stops well short of the "Logical Conclusion" precisely because it makes no sense.

I feel terrrible for the families that where duped into this argument by a guy out to buy half of Florida with his cut of the settlement.

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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 12:33 pm

Interesting that in the eyes such lawyers, the burden of responsibility for events like this (or the Fat Kids v. McDonald's fiasco) usually has much less to do with who actually might be responsible for any damages than with who has the most money. What a crock! Cloudy is exactly right -- firms and individual lawyers that pursue cases like this are little more than high-rent extortionists. It is absolutely criminal.

Perhaps the biggest shame is: where are the honest, hardworking, ethical attorneys (that I know are out there), denouncing these clowns as the greedy pigs that they are. Cloudy is exactly right -- firms and individual lawyers that pursue cases like this are little more than high-rent extortionists. It is absolutely criminal

There was another thread on the forum about what would make people move away from the USA....our asinine, out of control tort system running roughshod over common sense and personal responsibility will do it for me. Unfortunately nothing will ever be done about it ...the trial lawyers' lobby is among the most powerful in every legislative body, and what were most lawmakers before going into politics but..lawyers? The inmates are truly running the asylum, folks.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 6:48 pm

I don't think the airlines should be blamed. That lawyer is Bull$hitting and just wants to make his money. The pilots of all 4 planes ( R.I.P ) were just doing what they have been told to do incase of terroist taking over a plane. If anyone should be responsible for the acts of 9-11 it should be the people that did it and planned it. Not the victims!!!
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 7:19 pm

Cloudy,

Regretfully the 'Sue em' practice is becoming the norm in the UK. Even if you have done nothing wrong it is often cheaper to settle out of court before the lawyers get their teeth into it.

Saying that, it is often people who have seen huge awards being made that are getting the lawyers involved in the first place so maybe they are not always to blame. They don't discourage it though.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 9:36 pm

Big US companies are now having to set aside a huge annual litigation contingency fees... I think it should be the lawyers that are blamed (even sued) for causing the current economic downturn as the cash would have been able to be used for more useful allocations...

Yes, lawyers seem to be prosecuting anyone who's got money, except for themselves.... They are beginning to hinder capitalism while being traitors to the socialist cause !

Once you have a jury, it becomes a rich vs. poor situation in a lot of personal litigation cases. If I live in the US, I better have a non-recourse trust account in case I sneeze on someone by accident and he wants to sue me for "emotional damages" because he fears getting the SARS so he stayed isolated at home due to fear, and he is now getting obese because he thought the only way to get food without infecting others is by pizza home delivery... (he's also suing Pizza Hut and Pizza Express)...

Bizzare ? Well, ask a lawyer if this case is possible...

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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 9:45 pm

Just some small shot lawyer wanting to get his name in the papers, become famous and charge more. Probably so far has been unable to succesfully get a Paedophile or Rapist off on a technicality yet
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:11 pm

So, next time someone is being shot in a murder, you don't sue the murderer or the assasin, but rather sue the manufacturer of the weapon ... !

so stupid!

Let's wait till they lawyers of the airliners blame the architects of the WTC towers for placing teh towers in their way and "stopping" the two B767.

so ridiculous!

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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:21 pm

I think it's safe to say that much of what is being discusses here has been covered in other threads.

I think it may suprise some of you that in my legal opinion, there is some merit in this suit. And that the victims will get recovery...albeit not the horrendous amounts being sought.

Very clearly, new precedent can be set.

Personally, I hold both AA and UA liable as well for different reasons. I don't need to argue them here.

It is interesting to note that in the UA case, I believe (I havent' read their filing) that many suits may have been discharged during bankcruptcy.

Just my opinion...let's not flame the lawyers.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 10:36 pm

Greg, you would say that.

"First thing, let's kill all the lawyers"
-Shakespear

There isn't any merit to this case, as AA and UA followed all the recommendations at that time for security, and how to deal with a hijacking once it was in process. I understand the "reasonable person" principle does not apply here as it's a civil case, but I think AA and UA were nevertheless taking reasonable precautions that any other airline would take. It could have been any airline.

No, this case falls along the lines of the old American principle, "if something bad happens, someone is to blame and I am going to find that person and sue them".
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 11:09 pm

My message was fair and tempered.
Yours is not.

I would hardly expect some computer guy to understand the finer parts of law, or any of the many nuances of negligence--either gross or contributary. It was only my legal opinion. I was not a personal attack on anyone or their ideals.

Should I have questions why my our Linux servers don't connect over Citrix---I will defer to your better judgement.

Oh..by the way..it appears Shakespeare actually wrote very little that was attributed to him. It's become proper form not to quote him.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 11:27 pm

Just remember this next time you get a Jury Duty notice and do everything in your power to get out of it.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Fri May 02, 2003 11:30 pm

Does it not strike you as somewhat incongruous that the only person who thinks this suit is a good idea is another lawyer?

Why must we assign blame when none exists?

Why must people be automatically be entitled to some compensation from somewhere when something bad happens?

Of course this case will set precedent. Let's just hope it's the right one.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 12:08 am

Actually you learn very quickly....negligence almost ALWAYS exists. That why you hire lawyers...to find and prove it...juries (or litigation) can decide if the case has merit. Every recovery for damages has either been negotiated or awarded (in a few case they are mandated by judges). You make it sound like lawyers somehow write themselves blank checks.

There is no crime, no shame, and no stigma with relatives seeking damages for actions due to the negligence of common carriers.

My comments as original stated, stand.

I have no idea why you are taking this opinion as some sort of personal attack.
It is only my legal opinion.

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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 12:17 am

Although I think it's frivalous, they may have a legal point here. The important part to keep in mind is that the standard is different for a civil case. REASONABLE DOUBT applies to CRIMINAL cases. PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE applies to CIVIL. In civil court, as a matter of law, the side that has the most convincing evidence has a preponderance of the evidence and should prevail.

 
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Greg:

Sat May 03, 2003 12:21 am

I agree with you that there needs to be checks and balances. Awarding damages for things like false arrest, or falsifying MX records, or knowingly building a defective product. That's one thing.

But awarding someone $10,000,000 for something egregious like swallowing a step ladder or sticking their finger in the wall socket are what everyone is complaining about.

I don't feel that 1) people should be rewarded for their own incompetence/stupidity/cash grabs-it encourages further imitation behavior and 2)people should be allowed to pass the blame onto others as a result of above #1.


You know why lawn mowers have, printed in huge red letters on them DO NOT STICK YOUR FOOT OR HAND UNDER THE BLADE WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING?

Because someone, somewhere actually did it. Instead of using a little common sense (geez...there's a large steel blade undre there that can slice my foot like a machete through a loaf of Wonder Bread, I bettre not put my foot there), they actually sued, and because of creepy lawyers-and smart people getting out of jury duty-they won.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 12:39 am

I think the real target here, if anyone was sued, would be the FAA. They allowed the same lax industry standards for every airline. The did not discourage the hiring of security companies filled by flunkies. But I doubt you can sue the federal government for much, if at all. (I know you can only sue the state of Texas, where I live, for $250,000 tops). So the attorneys will choose to go after someone who has money, i.e., AA and UA. Despite the fact that their security was probably no more negligent than any other airline out there. So, how is this not a cash grab?

One other thing, billions of dollars were donated to charity after 9/11, so where is the piece of the pie for these people that are suing? They should have gotten some of that money.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 12:44 am

One other thing, since you don't have email on your profile:

I have no idea why you are taking this opinion as some sort of personal attack.
It is only my legal opinion.


I'm not taking it as a personal attack, believe me. I just don't agree with the people doing it. It's nothing against you at all. You are on my respected users list, btw.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 1:06 am

Personally, I hold both AA and UA liable as well for different reasons. I don't need to argue them here

Well why stop there, lets hold the passengers to blame as well for not trying to stop the hijacking. And while we are at it, anybody who photographed the aircraft at any point. All as ludicrous as suing the manufactuer. Yhere is something inherently wrong with all this.

Maybe we should sue the lawyers who didn't sue in the begining to outlaw carrying Hijackers.

Sheesh, no wonder this world is stupid. It's run by idiots.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 1:14 am

Ok...although it does not change my thoughts on the subject, I apologize if my tone is less than neutral.
After all...I am paid to argue.

Matt D:
That same award that cost Toro $10M probably also made lawmowers have a safety switch that locks the blade when it tips over or the operator releases the handle. Punitive damages have a strong bearing on product safety.

If you don't believe that...look what has happened at Firestone.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 2:17 am

I understand what you are saying Greg. But comparing Toro to Firestone is not an apples to apples comparison. Hitting Firestone with punitive WAS a good idea inasmuch as they were knowingly cut corners. The safety locks you referred to (i.e. product safety) are/were a good idea. But that came about as a result of either negligence on the part of the operators (read: STOO-PID), or an unforseen safety hazard. It was not an INTENTIONAL flaw.

In other words, hitting Toro was a bad idea. I think you know as well as I do that INTENT carries almost as much weight as the actual offense itself. As an example: let's say that two people are brought up on murder/manslaughter charges. Both parties charged had killed pedestrians. One of them lost control of the vehicle as a result of-say-Firestone tires. The other had a BAC of .046%, as a result of consuming 7 bottles of Wild Turkey in a 2 hour period.

Even though the "crime" was the same (2 dead innocent pedestrians), should both defendents be charged and punished the same, given the mitigating circumstances?

[Edited 2003-05-02 19:17:38]
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 2:17 am


Blame the families, they are the ones that are actually bringing the lawsuit against the airlines.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 2:51 am

Clearly, this is a sensitive issue with very divergent viewpoints.
For me, the discussion has run it's course. I have no further comments on the specific topic.

After the initial emotional responses, some good points on both sides have been made. I would welcome most of you to be on a jury and give me the opportunity to change your minds. While not agreeing on the initial cause, it is always nice to have people passionate about their views.

Best Regards.

 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 3:43 am

Greg - while I still disagree with you, I've got to say that you're calm and reasoned responses and arguments have moved you up a notch in my view. If I had the opportunity, I'd take you up on that offer.  Smile

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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 6:10 am

This should be thrown out of court immediately. Then the lawyers and their clients should have to pay all court costs including the defendants.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 6:15 am

It is sad that these men died without will and now there blamed for it.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 7:06 am

LH526 said....

So, next time someone is being shot in a murder, you don't sue the murderer or the assasin, but rather sue the manufacturer of the weapon ... !
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Some may think of this as a joke, but it is actually being done. Some of the people who are doing it have said proudly that the political process has not given them what they want - a ban on handguns. So they want to achieve it through the courts. They want to make it prohibitavly expensive for any legitimate company to manufacture guns.

This is not an idle threat. For decades, the legal system had shut down the general aviation manufacturing industry in the United States - it is only now starting to recover.

As to the PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE standard, many times lawyers mention this as though it were like the law of gravity. It is not. It is a human law and human laws can be changed. Personally, I think that if someone wants to bankrupt a company and put thousands out of work, he should have to meet higher standard of proof.

Perhaps the PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE standard is a good idea for cases involiving less then say 100,000. It allows for an easier and more just process. But allowing people to threaten larger verdicts on the basis of a mere "PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE" seems to me to be insane.

If you want a million dollar plus verdict, or a verdict that involves greater than actual damages + attorney's fees - you should have to prove your case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.This will do a great deal to deter legal extortion.

Perhaps this is not the right reform. Perhaps there are better ideas out there. However, the deep pockets are OURS and it is time that the system changed.

and BTW, have ya ever considered the implications of an out-of-control legal system to the high cost of healthcare? If the costs of healthcare went down, the availability of it would go up. Make no mistake about it, the legal system is the main if not the only reason even basic healthcare is so expensive today. Perhaps a medical malpractice system similar to the workers compensation system would work. This would probably allow more people to be compensated for medical malpractice than now, and make the system more predictable. Less good money would be sucked down by the lawyers. The trial lawyers and their lobbyists have been beaten before. Our current president did a great deal to mitigate the situation in Texas. It can be done. Just make sure to keep informed. Vote. And do not let the politicians (especially Democrat politicians) fool you as to who the real villians are. It isn't the Doctors, or the HMO's. It is the government. The legal system, together with very poorly managed government programs - is the root cause of the health care crises. "Solutions" that do not face up to this fact will make things worse.

Things CAN change. In some areas they HAVE. The lawyers would have you believe that the legal system's basic form is somehow immutable. It is not. We could junk the whole adversary system and go with something more moderate and reasonable if we wanted to. We could have a system where the goal finding the truth and protecting rights would be ballanced. Where statutory law has far more importance the precedent. Where there are limits on the power and authority of the legal system similar to the limits placed on other branches of government. Where everyone would have an advocate, but that advocate would not deliberatly hide or obfuscate the truth on behalf of his client. It would not violate the constitution. Henry Clay once spent a couple days trying to convince the Kentucky legislature not to repeal the Common Law. He probably did a service to Kentucky - as such an action could have had calamitous effects. But, provided we have a suitible replacement, a phasing out of the common law system may be just what we need today. Make no mistake about it, it can be done. Perhaps it even should be done. Even the mere threat of doing so could cause the trial lawyers lobby to get a bit more reasonable.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 7:12 am

In Greg's (and other lawyers') defense on this, he is correct in the sense that the attorney's / plaintiff's in this case are doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law ...but THAT is precisely the problem. A system of civil laws which permits the rampant litigation taking place today is clearly flawed.

If I were an attorney, I would certainly be tempted to take such cases, since it allows me to both do what I enjoy (practice law) and become quite affluent in the bargain....but I would also like to think that my conscience would allow me to see the absurdity and unfairness of such litigation, and work for reforms which would stop such abuse, but still allow truly injured parties to be compensated for their losses by the truly responsible parties.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 8:43 am

Let's blame the parents of the hijackers for having the bad taste to reproduce.

I saw a documentary on the WTC disaster recently, and they talked about the towers being constructed to withstand the impact of a 707 at SLOW speeds, but not at HIGH speeds. The understanding being that a 707 on approach to NYC would be flying at reduced speeds in preparation for landing.

I'm no legal expert, but I do recall that anyone recieving compensation related to the attacks had to sign a waiver agreeing not to sue anyone.
Apparently a few families didn't, and are now going for the gold. The fact that they're willing to put risk putting thousands of people out of work for 30 peices of silver, just disgusting.

The attacks were the result of many "dropping the ball" as it were...a chain of events. To pinpoint one or another in this to scam $$$ is repulsive.
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 8:49 am

In this case, United and American represent wheel-less ambulances that these lawyers are chasing. Famous for blaming anyone and anything with deep pockets (whether or not a plausible link can be made between the effect and its supposed cause is immaterial), it is rather puzzling that they are targeting these carriers when the pockets of AA and UA are ripped to shreds (never mind 'deep'). The bottom of the ocean needs more fertilizer...please send more lawyers.
 
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sat May 03, 2003 10:18 pm

Greg points out something interesting here. He said that negligence always exists. That means negligence must be a fact of life. There are an infinant amount of contigencies in the world an no one can prepare for all of them. So It comes down to reasonable precautions. .

Douglas Adams pointed this out years ago when he ranted about the instructions on a package of toothpicks. Lawyers hold a competition every year when they look for the most inane warning lable.

Why do we sue when some does something that CLEARLY falls beyond common sense. When are the parties who did the act to blame. Be they hijackers or the guy who crashed his winnebago because he set he cruise control and went in back to make coffee, or someone who sticks thier hand inside a moving lawnmower, the person who or persons who perpatrated the act is the responcible party.AA and UA and every other airline did not do the barest minimum of security prior to and on 9-11. They did what the goverment told them was the BEST practice, not the minimum. If it was the airlines who where responcible why was the ENTIRE airspace shutdown? Every airplane from the smallest Cessna to the larest 747 was not allowed to fly Major carriers who had been hijacked where affected and the smallest Mom and Pop sightseeing charter was shutdown. That would suggest to me that culpablity does NOT lay with the victims of the hijacking. Lawyers seem to forget that AA and UA lost employees, friends and co-workers. Those representatives of AA and UA died defending thier customers the best way they knew at the time, those that learned the situation had changed defended themselves even more aggresively
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RE: Lawyer: "AA And UA Responsible For 9-11"

Sun May 04, 2003 12:39 am

Sad thing is....its all about "ker-ching ker-ching $$$." People will be heartless and ruthless to make a quick buck. If I were a family that was being represtented by this lawyer and lawsuit, I would be very ashamed of myself. That is taking a worldwide tragedy and turning it into personal greed. Bad Bad people out there. (And I say all of this with continued sympathy for EVERYONE who lost their lives that day and to ALL families and friends who lost someone that day.) American Airlines and United Airlines are NOT at fault, and there is NO freaking way to prove that otherwise.

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