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Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 2:40 am

So now that DL is once again flying the 767-400 into LGAis it the largest plane to ever fly into LGA? It's longer and has more wingspan than the DC-10, L-1011 and A300.

Maybe did a bigger plane even come in as a charter or for an emergency landing?


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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 3:30 am

I would think that length and wingspan are not necessarily the best indicators of how large a plane is. For example, the L-1011 has a maximum takeoff weight of 496,000 pounds vs. the 767-400ER's 450,000 pounds. Based on that I would say the L1011 is a bigger aircraft than the 767-400. It may not be as long or have as wide of a wingspan, but it's wider.
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 3:32 am

I would imaine they have seeen a 747 some where along the lines....
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 3:39 am

Be careful about weight. Although the L1011 weighs more than the 764, the 764 is made up of more advanced composite materials that are far lighter than anything on the L1011 ever was.

Although I say this, my vote is for the L1011 as well due to its max pax capacity in an all coach class. I'm pretty sure it beats out the DC-10 and 764.

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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 4:04 am

Bigphil,

Perhaps you should try to define what you mean by "largest"?

Mass?
Pax Capacity?
or Physical Dimension?
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 4:09 am

Hold the press! Didn't Delta have a few runs into LGA with their MD-11?

If that isn't so, then I'll stick to what I said above.

On a side note, I think the 764 would qualify as the longest a/c.
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 4:10 am

I have lived blocks away from LGA and have seen nothing BIGGER that the aircrafts mentioned above.
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 4:18 am

When I say "big" in reference to a plane, I am referring to wingspan and length for the most part.

Maybe thicker too, but just because a plane is thick, that doesn't mean it's large...to me anyway.

Same with pax capacity. With airlines making more leg room, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a plane that carried less pax than another plane with less weight, size or whatever.

And I highly doubt a 747 ever landed at LGA. I don't even think the runwayts can handle that thing in terms of weight and width, much less the length.
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 5:04 am

I don't think A 747 ever landed into La Guardia, but A 747 can if it was allowed. 747's land at SXM at its only 152ft longer and the 747's dont even use all of the runway. ( I know that because I have the Justplanes SXM video :P ) But the only thing that wouldn't allow A 747 into LGA would be the close proximity of the buildings.

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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 5:32 am

An Airbus Beluga landed at LGA once, i would think thats a pretty large plane
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 7:28 am

LGA's runways length is not the issue, the fact that part of the runways are actualy piers.

The PA re-inforced the "piers" to support the A300s, it would require even more work to support the weight of a 777, MD11 or 747.

NWA and CO have both flown DC-10s into LGA at one time.

CO also briefly around '91-'92 had a A-300 flight from LGA-IAH.

Also Pan Am operated A-300s from LGA to Miami.
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 7:54 am

NWA and CO have both flown DC-10s into LGA at one time.

So did AA. EA operated L-1011s and A-300s out of there, and of course DL operated the L-1011 and now the 764.

By the way, there's an old joke among employees at LGA that if a 747 ever landed there, they'd have to turn it into a diner.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 8:07 am

Delta has also flown DC-10's to LGA back in the 70's. I know this for a fact because I was on one coming from ATL.
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 9:48 am

There wouldn't be a real reason to have an emergency landing of such a large airliner at LGA, especially since you have 13R/31L at JFK, all 14500 feet only a few miles south.

My guess would be the 764 though, after all, the capacity is a whopping 289 passengers...more than the 777s and MD-11s in DL's fleet.

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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 10:56 am

Don't forget the NATIONAL DC-10s back in the 70s, as well. LGA-TPA/MIA/PBI.
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 11:15 am

Yeah, National DC-10s... also TWA Tri-Stars.

The Airbus Beluga is really an A-300, so except for the hump, I don't think that'd be the largest. I'd go for the 767-400.

I'm sure a 747 could operate at LGA depending on fuel and pax load. There is a story that Pan Am brought one of their first 747s into LGA to show it off..but I never saw any real documentation on that.

Emergency Landings? Didn't an Egyptair 767 come in once?

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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 11:29 am

I remember the following during my childhood days at LGA:

DC-10
American
National
Pam Am

L-1011
Air Canada
Delta
Eastern
TWA

A300
Eastern
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 11:41 am

Don't forget that LGA was the benchmark Lockheed and Douglas used when designing their respective trijets. Eastern and American in particular insisted on transcon performance out of LGA.
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 3:58 pm

The PA re-inforced the "piers" to support the A300s, it would require even more work to support the weight of a 777, MD11 or 747.

The A300 had the problem of relatively narrow-track landing gear that concentrated the weight on the runway. The trijets had a wider track, and the four tires on a DC-10 bogie were also more widely separated, so they could operate out of LGA without the runway strengthening. Airbus complained loudly about political interference when the PA didn't want to let A300s operate there.

 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 6:54 pm

I believe TWA flew 747s in there in the very early days. Indeed, I read somewhere that they once flew a 747 from JFK to LGA.

I wonder would that involve taking off from JFK's 04L/R and landing on LGA's 04!
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Fri May 09, 2003 10:46 pm

We're guessing neither TWA nor anyone else ever scheduled 747s into LGA, but we're ready to learn. Anyone have a pic of any 747 there, on any occasion?

I don't think EA and AA insisted on "transcon" DC-10/TriStar performance out of LGA, did they? Didn't AA want full payload (or maybe full pax and bags) to Chicago? Or maybe Dallas? In any case neither of them contemplated flying transcon out of LGA, did they?

Vaguely recall that the DC-10 and/or TriStar was to be a twin until takeoff-from-LGA dictated three engines.
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Sat May 10, 2003 12:07 am

I don't see it listed above as one of the airlines that flew a "large a/c" into LGA, so. . . .
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Sat May 10, 2003 12:43 am

I remember seeing AA 762, Dc-10's DL L1011, 763, 762, and some other stuff that is pretty big.
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Sat May 10, 2003 3:05 am

No Transcon L1011 or DC-10 could operate out of GA / KLGA), USA - New York">LGA. All the those flts that did were lightly loaded with fuel served FL,GA etc. no CA,OR WA flts
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But...

Sat May 10, 2003 12:03 pm

Recall that UA flew DC-10s off of Kona's 6500-ft runway to California.
 
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RE: Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA

Tue May 13, 2003 2:04 am

I wonder would that involve taking off from JFK's 04L/R and landing on LGA's 04!

I've done this in flight sim many times. It's a lot of fun.

The PA re-inforced the "piers" to support the A300s, it would require even more work to support the weight of a 777, MD11 or 747.

The beginning of runway 22 and 13 are piers.

Often on weekends in nice weather, LGA ATIS will inform you that on of the runways are closed. This most often happens when they are fixing the piers up, which is a CONSTANT battle that they do a lot.

But, closing down one runway like that is good for spotting. It allows you to see sick crosswind and planes landing and departing on the same runway, which means lots of go-arounds. Big grin
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