Britair
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British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 8:10 pm

From tomorrow BA27 will operate daily nonstop to Hong Kong again, replacing the technical stop in Bangkok. Crew will stay in Macau. At this stage we have not been advised whether the aircraft will continue on to Macau or whether the crew will be transferred by other means.

 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 8:15 pm

Just advised the route will return to double daily from 1 June 2003.
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 8:48 pm

It seems that Lufthansa also makes some plans to upgrade flights into this area again.

As far as I know, they will return to daily 747 service to Shanghai on June, 1st and to Beijing on June, 16th (before 6x / 7x weekly with Airbus 340). HKG will be upgrade from 3x weekly to daily A340-300 on June 16th too.
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 9:27 pm

Get this, the BA crew will fly via CX Hong Kong - Macau - Hong Kong!!. Tonight is a A330 (B-HLT).

12-05-2003
21:40 CX 8306 Macau - Hong Kong
23:55 CX 8307 Hong Kong - Macau
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 9:37 pm

Are some of CX's crew also based at Macau?
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 10:41 pm

They don't need to be.
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 11:01 pm

Well, due to the nature of commercial aviation not to take any risks and forseeing (..or at least trying) the near future in a realistic way, I consider this an early indication that the situation is in fact improving. We shouldn't let us get freaked out by the media.

Both BA and LH are losing too much money right now, to do any risky s*ht like flying a 25%-filled 747 on 15.000km route, so I guess they have looked into the re-start of non-stop service very carefully and decided to restart once they were confident in the revenue figures!
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 11:05 pm

I would have thought that with the loads and ticket prices as they are, BA must be giving up a huge amount of their profit on this route in chartering a Cathay A330 just to ferry their flight crew to and from Macau!! The ferry flights have already appeared into the roster to the end of this month, and probably longer!
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Mon May 12, 2003 11:20 pm

It is funny. We said may be charter the GFS Puma may be cheaper and faster to MFM.(no need to fly STAR or SID or taxi a long way)
BTW, tonight plane is B-HLL.
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 5:29 am

I dont know whether BA is chartering the whole CX aircraft. That seems an awful waste for 17 crew members!
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 9:11 am

Britair,

On a clear day you can SEE macau airport from Hong Kong airport..... do you think there is a normal A330 service??.

The route is served by ferry and Helicopter at a fraction of the price.
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 7:52 pm

I understand the geography but these are strange times. The CX service listed above seems strange that it orginates in Macau, and the timings dont coordinate with the BA arrivals and departures. So, I am thinking either BA is piggy backing on a CX charter or there are other arrangements. 'Tis all.  Smile
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 7:55 pm

Flying between Macau and Hong Kong on a plane - yes it's very strange isn't it? First time for everything I suppose! Heh.

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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 7:59 pm

It's not really the first time that a plane has flown Macau - Hong Kong. During the typhoon seaons quite a while ago I remember clearly two planes were diverted to Macau - one of them is a KLM B744 from Amsterdam. And the next day the plane flew back to HKG - with all the passengers.

Maybe there are more but I really have no memories.

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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 8:12 pm

Jesus... how long is the flight between HKG and MFM?? Does the plane even have time to retract the flaps? Or is it just setting it from take off position and straight to landing configuration immediately after airborne??
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 10:51 pm

9V-SPK,

It is not unusual in bad weather for aircraft to be diverted from HKG to MFM or vice versa. The runway alignment is nearly 90 degrees to each other so there is always a more appropriate runway in strong winds.
Also, Air Macau sends their aircraft to HAECO for maintenance, so it is not unusual in that respect for aircraft to fly between the two.
Cathay normally does all it's base training in Zhuhai, but when it is busy there, Macau is used. Then they obviously have to fly between the two.
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 11:15 pm

CX Flyboy: -

Zhuhai busy? How busy, is only 6 scheduled flights per day. How are you lately?

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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Tue May 13, 2003 11:21 pm

Hi Kev,

I'm good thanks. Perhaps I should have been more clear about ZUH. Sometimes there are two Cathay training sessions on at the same time, and one therefore has to go to MFM and the other to ZUH. There are also some other flight planning restrictions, I think at certain times of day, but I can't really remember.
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Wed May 14, 2003 1:06 am

Well to get to Macau by ferry takes I think 1-2 hours? So by plane, erm, 5-6 mins?

Hope the CX pilot doesn't over-shoot Macau Big grin

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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Wed May 14, 2003 1:11 am

Hope the CX pilot doesn't over-shoot Macau

No, they didn't, as a matter of fact, they arrived 16 min ahead of schedule! Big grin

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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Wed May 14, 2003 2:37 am

That reminds of the time I used MS Flight Sim to fly around in the area. I'd take off on Kai Tak's RWY 13, turn right, fly south of HK Island, go over the Pearl Delta, turn right, do a touch and go in Macau, head north to Shenzen, do a 180 degree turn, touch and go in Shenzen and back to Kai Tak.

Btw, when Kai Tak's RWY 31 was in use (which was shorter because of the displaced threshold on RWY 13) UA 747s on the HKG-SFO and -LAX routes flew to Macau with almost empty tanks, fuelled up there and used the longer Macau runway to get airborne with a heavy load.
 
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Wed May 14, 2003 2:58 pm

Cx flyboy,

Do you know if it's the pilot, airport authority or airline management's choice to divert to Macau, Manila or Taipei during bad weather? Because SQ only diverts their planes to Taipei and I think CX are more widely spread which makes me wonder.

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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Wed May 14, 2003 7:06 pm

Well I guess it is because small boats could not make the journey across the 'ocean' and hiring a jetfoil is HK$15000 per hour, so taking a flight there would actually be cheaper.
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RE: British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop

Wed May 14, 2003 7:33 pm

Svenvdm,

Who on earth told you that about the UA 747's??, its 100% not true and at the same time very funny.

You should have seen the CP DC-10's on 13... WOW!!. As for the SAS 763's they almost never used 31, even when it was in use they waited for a gap and used 13.
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