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Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 8:19 am

 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 8:28 am

Whats going to happen on routes like Calgary-ORD which was two daily? Will american pick up the slack or will United start to fly the route?
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 8:34 am

I'm not sure. American could go in and take over, but they are bad shape as well.
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 8:46 am

YYC-ORD
YYZ-SAN
YYZ-GRR
YYZ-DAY
YVR-IAD
YVR-NGO
YUL-ATL
YUL-SFO
YYZ-STL
YYZ-MKC
YYZ-MSY..


Wow..

Mark
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 9:12 am

A lot of those cuts are temporary, well at least according them to. The ones that I believe are not temporary are the Toronto-Grand Rapids and Toronto-Dayton routes.
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 9:14 am

Id love to put YYZ-DFW and YYZ-IAH on that list also  Big thumbs up

But the profits are just way too good Big grin

Mark
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 9:37 am

Well tough times calls for tough choices and these fit that bill if you ask me. I thought is was a good article tho.
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 9:43 am

I was about to say, DFW just has to be a great money maker for Air Canada. Good for them!
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 9:49 am

Nuno..

Yep all 35.8 pax per flight  Big thumbs up

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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 10:16 am

YYZ-MSY gone?

Great... our scheduled international service just got cut in half  Sad Angry
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 11:11 am

Some of these routes are seasonal anyways, therefore some of the cuts aren't too drastic. I don't know what position United is in to pick up some of these routes, but YYC-ORD, YVR-IAD, and YUL-SFO could be easily continued if they were remotely profitable.
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 11:14 am

The only seasonals were YULSFO (it only became that in 2002) and YVRIAD..

I hope they are continued later on.

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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 11:18 am

Sorry to see Air Canada leave San Diego for a year. Glad that at least a photo was finally uploaded of an Air Canada plane at SAN. I wonder if they'll actually be back...
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 11:43 am

Im gonna miss the old YYZ-MSY. Almost everytime I flew down to the MS coast, it was that way.
Took that one quite a few times, back when it was a DC-9, 732 and then finally a A319 at the end.
Which means, that now, I'll either have to fly into BNA or ATL, or just fly Delta into GPT.

Its rather sad to see them in such a state. Although, it seems that the YYZ-NRT route it always played with, dropping it here, adding it there. It would seem the route is hit and miss, at times profitable, and at times utterly useless. Noone, other than AC should be able to comment on the yields though. If there are weight restrictions imposed, then the economy class section becomes a loss/breakeven, where as the Executive Class cabin becomes a cash cow. The economics of AC's super long-haul, (pre A345) are often rather intriguing. (especially with the dropping/adding)

YVR-Nagoya isnt surprising, with ANA as a Star Member, AC could gain for the added traffic to Tokyo, and then connect them onwards with ANA.

Hope for better times...

 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 11:45 am

YYZ-NRT had to be profitable if Air Canada's plan was to make it an A340-500 route.

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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 1:50 pm

I just saw that same article in the MyTelus website this morning.

I saw this coming - AC already has altered my upcoming itinerary to Halifax, NS a bit. AC008 (HKG-YVR-YYZ) appears to have been cancelled or reduced drastically in frequency, since the YVR-YYZ segment is now replaced in the same time slot by AC180 - operated by a 762, whereas AC008 would've used the A340-300. There are no other changes to my itinerary - yet. I chose to book the YEG-YVR part later with WestJet. I could not book that part thru AC earlier, not because there weren't any seats, nor any problems with AC or Aeroplan - my brother had warned me not to book that part until later due to uncertainty in his summer employment plans and his plans to move to a new home within the Greater Vancouver area. After all, it's not only cheaper - it's more secure, given AC's serious situation right now. Big grin

Another thing I'm concerned about is this: My aunt who lives in Northern England is supposed to be flying to Alberta for my brother's wedding at the end of this month. For that, she is supposed to fly LHR-YYC, so I wonder if that route is on the chopping block unless loads are high enough. Or will AC simply downgrade the equipment to a 762/763 at best? (LHR-YYC uses the 343 or the 744)
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 2:19 pm

Now I don't know much about the technical restrictions placed on the 343 YYZ-NRT flight, but its likely that the YYZ-NRT route is not profitable being operated by the -300, yet Air Canada believed the better ultra-long-range operating economics of the -500 would make the route profitable. This would provide reason behind Air Canada ordering the 340-500 in the first place. Just because the route was planned to be a -500 route, doesn't mean the route is profitable. The decrease in Asian travel, and Air Canada's position of not accepting the new aircraft ultimately chopped this route. YVR-NGO was supposed to be seasonal this summer, but with Air Canada flying the 744's to Osaka and Tokyo, they'll still have a fine presence to Japan.
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 2:47 pm

Perhaps the final nail in the coffin for those (launch customer) 345s... and the 346s, too.

Nevermind political correctness - Envision using your turn signals!
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 8:51 pm

This list actually seems short to me. When Air Canada hit hard times in the past I believe they cut deeper. I have a feeling this might be the first of a couple of announced cuts if they are really in as bad shape as they claim to be. I can't imagine every European and Caribbean/South American route is so strong that there are no needs for route cuts or frequency reductions... Asia is really more volatile than usual because of SARS and Toronto itself has been hit hard by it... Hopefully not enough to strike a really crippling blow to Air Canada. It would seem a good alternative for this carrier would be to rely more on Star Alliance code shares in order to reduce costs and still maintain service to a lot of these cities.

 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 10:20 pm

In regards to the YYC-ORD route, I believe UAL just increased their flights so AC will still offer this route but only as a codeshare.
 
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 10:29 pm

Do AC's problems go back to the merger of Canadian Pacific? Just brought to a head thanks to the down turn in the economy and now SARS? Would it had been this bad in time any way and the economy, recent war and SARS placed it on the fast track to this point?
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RE: Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'

Wed May 14, 2003 11:28 pm

The 345 was originally ordered to operate YYZ-HKG nonstop. The recent planned assignment of it to YYZ-NRT was likely based on the decision to not proceed with YYZ-HKG now and the need to place the 345 on SOME route (any route)......it may as well be the YYZ-NRT since it's about the longest route in the system.

Anyway, clearly AC does not need the 345 and it will not enter service.

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