fly_emirates
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Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Thu May 15, 2003 11:43 am

i dont understand the things that the airlines have with the restricted and the non restricted tickets. i can understand what United have done when they provided economy plus, thats a separate class, for people who bought unrestricted tickets. but what airlines like Northwest and delta are doing when pre assigning the seats is that they have preferred easting, which are not different from the seats at the back of the plane.. i would think that if these airlines implement the idea United have done with the economy plus, would be more reasonable than having preferred seating that it not different than regular seating
 
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement I

Thu May 15, 2003 11:45 am

American quickly followed suit with MRTC.

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UA744Flagship
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Thu May 15, 2003 5:19 pm

Hi Fly_emirates:

Economy Plus is not a separate class. Getting an Economy Plus seat assignment in advance is only possible, yes, if you are on an unrestricted ticket, but also if you are an elite member in Mileage Plus.

Economy plus seats are no different from the seats at the back of the plane, either... and receive the same service. They simply have more legroom.

In addition to the extra legroom, United also practices the so-called "preferred seating" that other airlines do. This blocks off bulkhead and emergency exit rows for advance reservation unless you meet earlier said conditions, or the plane has filled to capacity in the non-preferred seats.

United's "Premier Zone" (United's name for preferred seating -- a published benefit), like other preferred seating, also tries to block off the middle seat between an aisle and window in the premium/preferred section of the main cabin, once again unless the non-premium section has been fully booked.

But...

To answer your question, no one else is going to implement it. The market has shown that new business is not attracted to an airline because of legroom. Legroom is a very insignificant factor in the grand scheme of things.

However, Economy Plus provides a way to keep existing customers and please the best ones. But is enough loyalty generated to the point where the repeat business outweighs the loss of potential butts in the row of seats removed?

Who knows...
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Treg
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement I

Thu May 15, 2003 10:38 pm

SAS has in their widebodies something called Economy Extra. More expensive than economy, but service is something in between full fare and economy. You have also laptop power available.
 
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Thu May 15, 2003 11:27 pm

Economy Plus on BA and VS is a different cabin and seating.
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Thu May 15, 2003 11:35 pm

And comes at a higher price. On both VS and BA. Now on BA it is at the front of the economy cabin and seating and space is more generous and you also get served first tho after that there is no other difference. Same food and entertainment as economy.
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Transtar
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Thu May 15, 2003 11:47 pm

Seems to me that enhanced economy products are not necessarily a good option for an airline and was largely the result of the temporary boom in business travel in the 1990s. In terms of cost structure, I would believe that the more classes you have the more complex stocking and cleaning the plane becomes and the more differentiated training you would need for flight attendents for each classes. I was amazed when I flew United internationally that they still have three fully differentiated classes. British Airways now basically has four in the sense that they enhanced economy product has a completely different seat design.

I think KLM, Continental, Delta, and Northwest have it right in offering a very good business class product (well, maybe not NWA as much) rather than first and business. I would much rather have an airline offer a great business class seat and a good coach product. That seems to be Continental's philosophy in particular.

Somewhere in the trade press I also read that the more you make coach or enhanced coach comfortable the less attractive it becomes for business travelers to pay out for business class and such. In this time of reduced business travel, it seems to me that UAL, AA and others should be streamlining and rationalizing their in-flight services to reduce costs and enhance profits.

 
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Fri May 16, 2003 2:24 am

World traveller plus from BA is
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Fri May 16, 2003 2:34 am

If you can get a economy plus you are going to have a good flight. The extra leg room is wonderful, I have never been on a MRTC flight but I can speak for the economy plus seats. If the plane is full and only middle seat exist pray you get a middle seat in E+.


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hamad
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Fri May 16, 2003 3:49 am

you guys are correct about BA, on BA i was upgraded once by the check in agent because the system went down while i was checking in and i waited before going through security in DXB, he checked me in while boarding was due to start in 5 minuites, and he upgraded me on the higher economy of BA, now, they had wider seats, and the seats had foot rests.. eventhough the food and the service was almost the same, but on UAL, its just more legroom which is great too
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mikkel777
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RE: Economy Plus, Would Other Carriers Implement It?

Fri May 16, 2003 6:16 am

SAS has Economy Extra, wich is a separate area, wider seats, and more leg-room. If you buy the cheapest biz-ticket, you will be seated there. I was upgraded to that class ORD-CPH, and it is certainly a bigger difference between SAS eco and eco extra, and UA eco and eco +. The service in SAS eco extra is the same as in eco, but the separate cabin gives a more calm and silent atmosphere.