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A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 1:40 am

You might still remember the pictures we saw here where a Boeing 747-200 was seen going through a forest, not on a runway but on a truck and partly also on a boat...

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Now finally this plane has been brought there where it is safe of every crisis.
The new object of pride for the technic museum of Speyer, Germany is parked on it's stand and can also be looked at from the inside to visitors.

I will surely try to get to the museum as soon as possible. After all D-ABYM was always my favorite plane of the Lufthansa fleet.

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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 2:16 am

The picture in the middle is a Photo montage, right?
Either way, sooner or later I'll have to visit that Speyer museum... a Tu144, a B747, probably soon a Concorde... Probably beats the Air&Space museum in Washington hands down.... is it free, too?
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 2:27 am

While I will not cast aspersions on the Speyer Museum, I think you are incorrect to claim that it "beats the Air&Space museum in Washington hands down."

The Air & Space Museum, part of the Smithsonian Institution, is the most frequently visited museum of any kind in the world (including places such as the Louvre). The collection will soon be significantly expanded when a new facility is opened at Dulles airport in Chantilly, VA. In addition to all of the historic aircraft at the downtown facility (e.g., Wright Bros. plane, Spirit of St. Louis, Apollo 11 capsule), the Dulles annex will include an SR-71, the first prototype Space shuttle (the "Enterprise") and quite likely a Concorde to be donated by Air France. So, come visit the DC area in December when the new facility opens.
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 2:33 am

"The picture in the middle is a Photo montage, right?"

I'd guess so, too. Alas, they forgot (?) to retouch the support under the nose wheel!:D But maybe there was some light that helped make the supports invisible.
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 2:34 am

Where is Speyer exactly? Do you get there by train? I'd like to meet up with YM again. I flew on it.

As for DC I plan a visit in a year's time.
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 2:42 am

It's not a photomontage! I've been there recently and it looks like this (pretty stupid IMO!). You can even walk on the wing and enter the 747 through the cargo hold! How stupid is this?!?
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 2:49 am

Setjet,

why is that stupid?!? As for the montage, I was referring to the not visible supports under the main gear, which are there.
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:08 am

stretch_8:
As pure (modern) civil aviation enthusiast, I have to admit that seeing some old wooden Wright-Flyer things and some moon capsules did not impress me too much when I was there last year. Seeing a Tu144 or a 747 in a museum, though, would impress me a lot more. So for my personal interests, Speyer is (currently) much more attractive!

Besides, I know the Air & Space museum is the most visited tourist attraction in the world, but that's not a bonus (the place was crowded with noisy annoying people (read: children) when I was there...)
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:39 am

Yes Iky:

That's why you need to return from December '03, when the Dulles Annex will be open. It will feature large aircraft, some of them modern civil transport. I think that your appetite will be satisfied. Besides, you can fly from LHR into IAD on your choice of 3 airlines, and be at the new museum in minutes!

As for "old wooden-Wright-Flyer things" and "some moon capsules," these are priceless artifacts of aviation history. The emphasis on overall aviation history at Air & Space is fitting.

That static display of the 742 at Speyer looks impressive, no doubt.
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:56 am

Anyone know if the Speyer Museum has a website for more information?

The SAA Museum Society (www.saamuseum.co.za) have had a B747-244B (ZS-SAN) donated to them which they plan to fly to Rand airport near Johannesburg for preservation.

Besides the Qantas aircraft in Longreach, are there any other B747's elsewhere that belong to museums?
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 5:09 am

All Information you need you find under
http://www.technik-museum.de/
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 5:19 am

There are now 5 747s that are part or will be part of a museum in short time:
- Boeing 747-120 N7470 prototype in Seattle (under preparation)
- AF 747-128 F-BPVJ in Le Bourget (the 1st 747 that became a museum exhibit)
- LH 747-230B D-ABYM in Speyer
- QF 747-238B in Longreach
- SAA ZS-SAN in Rand/J´burg

There was rumour that NWA´s first 747-151, N601US, would be preserved partly in the Smithsonian, but recent pictures unfortunately suggest near future scrapping of this pretty bird that saw 30 years of splendid service.

From its placement the LH plane in Speyer is easily the most interesting subject. Maybe I´ll drive down there this weekend.
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 6:13 pm

Either way, sooner or later I'll have to visit that Speyer museum... a Tu144, a B747, probably soon a Concorde...
The Tu-144 is not at Speyer but at Sinsheim. As for a Concorde: Would be cool!

Where is Speyer exactly?


Anyone know if the Speyer Museum has a website for more information?
http://www.museum-sinsheim.de

But if you want to see something about the 747 than you'll have to go to the German part of the website as they are redoing the english part.

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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Fri May 16, 2003 11:36 pm

Concorde is already in a museum. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford, Cambridgeshire has one of the Concorde prototypes (101) on display.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/duxford/brit16.htm
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Sat May 17, 2003 1:11 am


Speyer is about 70 km south of FRA, just around the corner from Mannheim, where I live. One can get there in one hour by train.

Sinsheim (where indeed the Tu 144 is presented) is the second facility of the same museum. I´d say it´s a further 30 kilometres south. Takes 1.5 hours by train from both FRA and Speyer.

Both museums can be easily done in one day, especially if you care only about the aviation exhibits.

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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Sat May 17, 2003 7:31 am

I haven't been to Sinsheim since the TU-144 was set up there so can somebody tell me if you can also go inside the plane? I guess not since it's up on the roof but ya never know...

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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Sat May 17, 2003 4:49 pm


If I remember correctly (and that´s a big "IF"), yes. I believe I remember them boasting somewhere that the Tu 144 could be entered. But their website is so crappy, I can´t verify it.

And I haven´t been there either since the Tupolev was put up. I´ve seen her from the autobahn though - looks great on the roof...

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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Sat May 17, 2003 8:25 pm

Aloges,

I think it is inappropriate to present a B747 "on sticks", to replace the cockpiut instruments with xerox papers, to put fences on wings,...

Just look what they are doing to the TU-144 in Sinsheim:
The back door is always open, so you find rotten leafs in the plane, even some snow (!) in the winter, no original fittings in the inside, stupid dolls in the pilots seat,..ect.

I rather prefer the "serious" Smithsonean in Washington!
 
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RE: A Lufthansa 742 Is Flying High Again

Sun May 18, 2003 2:41 am

I just checked on a.net and here are a few pictures from both Sinsheim and Speyer. But at this point there are still no pictures of D-ABYM at the museum.

Speyer:

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Sinsheim

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Looking at these pictures I think it's about time that I visit them again. Actually visit Sinsheim agin and also go to Speyer...

Max

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