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Southwest Airlines Next City?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:50 am

I have heard from several sources that Southwest Airlines is beging to look into Albany NY. I had heard that looked into Allentown PA but they did not have the facilities to offer. Aside from Albany my bet would be with either Richmond or Norfolk. Any ideas?
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 4:17 am

Southwest started service here in Hartford Oct. 31, and I've heard the loads have been phenominal. I hope to try them soon.

As for the next city, Albany makes sense, but it lacks a certain population base WN looks for. (Many Albany residents are making the two-hour drive here to BDL to catch flights). I figure they're going for another New York City-area location. Maybe Stewart Airport, but that lacks the right facilities.

How about Trenton? Close to Philly, with facilities, and within an easy drive to NYC?

I'd also bet on Norfolk.
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Fri Dec 03, 1999 11:17 am

Fort Wayne...has the facilities, but do you think it would go over very well? I think it would...FWA is about 2-2 1/2 hours from Indianapolis, and it is pretty much isolated with a farely large population!

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Southwest Needs To Serve Fresno

Fri Dec 03, 1999 11:29 am

I'm truly amazed that Southwest doesn't serve Fresno, CA. Located right in the heart of CA. City growing like a weed, and all air service is with assorted Brasilias, Saab 340's, and a couple of CRJ's. Then, American has 1 or 2 MD-80 flights to Dallas. There is a tremendous amount of road traffic between Fresno and the LA/SF areas. Also, a lot of folks from Fresno would like to get service to LAS, since it is an 8 hour drive from there. I would bet that if WN came in with flights to LAS, LAX and SJC, they would make a fortune. I know I would fly them. I drive to Fresno several times a year to visit family, and that drive is a pain in the a**.

Colorado Springs?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 12:05 pm

Does anyone know why WN isn't in Colorado yet?

I would think they could make a killing there--this is a city that used to be a hub for both WestPac and Frontier.

Near Denver=Lower Fares

What does Southwest have against this poular Western state?
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SWA In Colorado

Fri Dec 03, 1999 1:02 pm

SWA used to serve DEN (Stapleton) back in the mid-1980s, but pulled out a couple of years later. Stapleton was very prone to big ATC delays from not-so-bad weather (runways too close together for simultaneous use), and the effect to the rest of the SWA system was adverse.

Morris Air had Colorado service (from SLC) but that was discontinued once SWA acquired them in the mid -1990s. Then, as now, the operating costs at the new DIA/DEN airport were just plain prohibitive. COS continues to be a rumored destination, but so are a hundred other cities. Have to wait and see...  
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 1:44 pm

I heard ALB is building a terminal fow SWA along with BUF. unfortunatly, i have been to both airports and i cant figure out WHERE they are going to put them

Is Toledo Next?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 1:51 pm

I have a sneaking suspicion that one of the low cost carriers, either WN or NJ, will make themselves at home at TOL. It's close enough to DTW to make it a good alternative for the value-minded PAX.
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:25 pm

I have heard that Southwest after the first of the year will announce where it decides to go in Western, New York. I heard that it was either going to be Buffalo and Syracuse (both) or Rochester. I would be thrilled to get Southwest here in Rochester.
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RE: Colorado Springs?

Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:30 pm

It would be nice for Southwest to put up some competition to America West in COS. When I visit the fam in S. Colorado, I usually fly Southwest into ABQ because it's usually a cheaper fare than flying AWA into COS. Don't have a clue why they dont like Colorado.
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Sun Dec 05, 1999 7:34 am

In reading this thread, I have a few thoughts:

Albany's terminal is expanding. I have a feeling that it's being prepared for a Southwest invasion.

Because I live in Philadelphia, I would be THRILLED to see Southwest come into Trenton. US Airways has a serious lock on the Philly market, and I think that Southwest would make a fortune by flying into either Trenton or Wilmington, DE. I would drive the 45 minutes to either Trenton or Wilmington to catch a Southwest flight.

Syracuse, Buffalo, and Albany have all been mentioned. These are all big markets for US Airways. Once again, Herb is thumbing his nose at Wolfe. GO HERB!!!

I'd love to see Southwest open up Pittsburgh. Do you know how many Pittsburghers drive 2 hours to catch cheaper flights from Cleveland? There are several open gates in Pittsburgh, and once again Herb could thumb his nose at Wolfe.
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Sun Dec 05, 1999 12:35 pm

Do you think UA likes the fact that DEN has high operating costs knowing that it keeps SWA out of the market? Hmmm.

I think right now,SWA is concentrating on shoring up its bases. It has done a fair amount of expanding the last couple of years,and is stretched tight till new aircraft come on line.
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Sun Dec 05, 1999 7:18 pm

I think Worcester, MA or Des Moines, IA would be good moves.
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Nothing Against Colorado, Just The Weather

Sun Dec 05, 1999 11:12 pm

I'm sure that SW doesn't have any grudges against the state of Colorado, it's just that their winter weather (snow+deice=delay) would have a difficult time being integrated into their system. They pride themselves on on-time departures and doing quick-turns all day long and I just can't see them moving into a city that knowing full well in advance that they will have numerous winter weather delays.

Again, just my thought!
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Mon Dec 06, 1999 1:51 am

Worcester would NOT be good for SWA. You have PVD, BDL, and MHT (all SWA airports) less than 1.5 hours away. A good idea is Burlington, VT. They are pretty small, with USAirways to PIT and PHL, and BEX to BOS, plus a few more destinations (CO to EWR). This would open up the market, and have people save on the 2 h drive to MHT or Montreal, or the 3 h drive to BOS.

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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Mon Dec 06, 1999 4:30 pm

After having read everyone's great posts, my bets are on a single western NY airport, centrally located. Sorry, but I don't know which city is most central!

Also, I would think either Norfolk or Newport News airports. The latter would be closer to Richmond also, if I'm not mistaken.

Are weather conditions that different in Denver and Colorado Springs, than in Salt Lake, where WN has operations? Perhaps this is a concession to the Morris Air people.

Yes they have flights into SFO (from either SAN or PHX), but most of their Bay Area flights are centered in OAK. Underutilized for many years, they've taken this airport and turned it into a viable, alternative hub with far fewer delays than SFO. Small wonder that cities are clamoring to be included on the short list to be added to the WN route system.

Are these guys geniuses or what?
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RE: Southwest Airlines Next City?

Tue Dec 14, 1999 2:50 pm

I agree with HyperMike, Trenton, NJ would be perfect location for WN. Not only would it draw people from Philly but it's only an hour or so from Newark (and NYC is only a little further than that). I'm sure people would be more than willing to drive there, if nothing to escape the congestion at the ne NJ/NYC area airports. Also, hopefully they would give some competition to Continental (which has a hub at EWR).
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To AKelley728

Tue Dec 14, 1999 10:09 pm

Just in case Trenton works out, let the record show I had the first post on that one! See the very first response. I have a feeling it will be Trenton.

Southwest told analysts this week that it will add 2 or 3 new cities in 2000.
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Boeing 757/767

Sun Dec 19, 1999 1:15 pm

Yes, I stand corrected! You were definately the first to mention Trenton, you get all the credit and glory!

Tell you what, when they inaugurate the first Trenton to wherever flight, we'll all take a ride together!

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