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American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 9:57 am

What are AA's plans for the A300-600 fleet?

I saw a documentary on TV last week where there were AA flightdeck crew who refused to fly them and transferred to Boeing types because of the 'allegedly' faulty rudder which AA seemed to blame for the A300 crash in NYC. Airbus Industrie argued that the rudder should not have been used in such a way in the situation that they were faced with on that flight.

Are there plans to replace them in the near future, or are they to be a long-term part of AA's fleet?
 
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AA A300s

Sun May 18, 2003 10:09 am

I hope that they stay for a while, I see two come in a day at MCO- one from MIA in the morning and one from SJU in the early afternoon. They make a cool sound as they pass overhead about 1000 ft.
 
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 10:23 am

No immediate plans for replacement. They are not part of AA's long term fleet plan but will be around for a while. Currently there are 34 in service, however some are in temporary (rolling) storage. The first A300 comes off lease in 2007 with the last of them coming off lease in 2012 or so.

The only way this would change is..
1) Ch.11 reorganization and voiding of contracts/leases
2) Someone would buy them, likely for freighter service
3) AA could exercise their return clause but I do not know if this deal still stands as it did when they were initially delivered.

They put in their time in the Carribbean, Central America, and East Coast. AA will likely keep them for the full term of the lease as they have no suitable replacement at the time.
 
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 10:26 am

Maybe..when times improve..they can be replaced with the 7E7
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 11:57 am

Unless things at AA take a major turn for the worst the A300's are likely to stay in AA's fleet until the leases expire.

Though an 'oddball' in the fleet,they are huge revenue earners due to the large cargo capacity.

It will be a sad say when the last A300 leaves AA's fleet,apart from the accident,they have provided excellent service.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 11:57 am

And are these flight crews transferring to the 737 or, shudder, "Boeing" MD-80? I suspect not as seniority to be in the A300 mix means they've got enough to go to 767s and 757s, even a few to the 777. Just curious.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 12:05 pm

Is that the first accident for an A300-600?
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 12:13 pm

No but is is the first where structural defect is suspected.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 12:19 pm

No, there have been 3 other A300-600 accidents.

Two on China Airlines and one on Korean Air.

However, they were all pilot error.

Has Boeing given any details on the 7E7's cargo capabilities?

The A300's plus is it's tremendous cargo capacity making it the ultimate aircraft for routes to South America where cargo volume is very high. That's one thing the 767 greatly lacks, cargo capacity.

That's why American Airlines is keeping the A300s for a while and flies them mostly out of Miami (MIA).

If the 7E7's cargo capability will be comparable to the A300s cargo capability, then I am sure American Airlines would love to get there hands on a batch.

That is if things improve for them.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 12:30 pm

15 757-300s and 20 767-400 ought to handle the load.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 12:43 pm

As long as you brought up the A300-600R, I was curious if anyone knows why this version of the A300 does not have an outboard aileron.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 11:22 pm

IF AA cannot get the leases renewed, as they come up for that, at great rates, then I might suspect that Boeing might be in the mood to cut a deal on a fleet of 764's. I am not sure how the cargo capacity compares..I suspect close tho.

IF the USAF places the order for 100 B-767 Cargo/Tankers in a few months, to begin replacing ancient KC-135's, the 767 line at Everett would be humming along and easy for Boeing to work in 30-40 767-400s.

In the end, I bet they get a cheap renewal for additional 5 yrs or so, since the market is saturated with used aircraft already

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 11:32 pm

Currently there are 34 in service, however some are in temporary (rolling) storage

Hasn´t their number shrunk to 33 after the Queens crash ?

BTW I hope they stay around for at least another decade since I rise serious hopes to fly on one of them in the near future + they look sharp in the AA colours . Big grin


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RE: American A300-600s.....

Sun May 18, 2003 11:59 pm

They had 35 A300s before the crash of flight 587.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 12:10 am

OOps ,my bad  Wow! I always thought AA had taken delivery of 34 buses.
 
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 12:21 am

The AA A300B4-600R's are NOT leaving the AA fleet anytime soon.

The reason is simple: ample cargo capacity for its passenger load. This is vital for flights from JFK and MIA to Caribbean destinations, given that passengers on these flights tend to carry everything but the kitchen sink (and are more than willing to pay the excess luggage charges). TW failed on its JFK-SJU route because their 757-200's had a relatively poor luggage allowance, something ex-pat Puerto Ricans in NYC dislike.

I expect AA to continue flying the AB6 until the airframe life runs out if AA continues to have strong Caribbean presence.
 
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 3:09 am

767-400s would clearly not be equal replacements of the aircraft....

As has been discussed repeatedly above the key to the aircraft's success on South American routes is its strong cargo capability and its ability to carry standard containers, neither of which the 764 has.

The A300 is also optimized for these short(ish) routes to the Caribbean and northern South America.

AA took 35 new GE powered A300B4-605Rs.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 3:23 am

The cargo capacity is not such a big deal, AA has plenty of 777s (and more on order) that could make a couple runs from JFK and MIA to Santo Domingo or San Juan.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 3:52 am

I really think that the South American routes are the key cargo routes.

The 777s are configured in a 3 class international setup, while the A300 is setup more as a domestic and high-density configuration.

The 777 is also a tad overkill.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 4:00 am

Tower, Pan Am, Eastern all flew 747s into the Caribean from JFK.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 4:26 am

Delta also used to fly a 747 ATL-DAL-LAX, but that's not too relevant to today's market, is it?  Laugh out loud


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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 5:32 am

About the 787 (7E7 althoug for me it is already the 787) replacing them, arent they pretty heavy, made for longhaul, or will they have an A marktet variant?
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 6:34 am

There apparently will be a shorter range variant, but who knows at this early stage in the game.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 9:39 am

The A300 is a cool aircraft.. Being in the caribbean i get to fly on it usually on my flight MIA/SJU. The SJU/MIA is usually a 738, and sometimes 752. It is a nice relaxing aircraft... LONG LIVE.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 10:59 am

American has 34 A300-600's (there were 35 but one was lost in the crash of AA 587). The A300 has excellent cargo capacity and is also ideally suited for the high density operations AA has into the Caribbean and northern Latin Am. from New York/JFK and Miami.

American used to operate some A300's across the Atlantic to Heathrow from JFK and Boston, and from Boston to Paris and Miami to Madrid. All 8 of these A300-600's for North Atlantic operations had PTV's and power ports for laptop computers in the Business Class cabin.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 11:21 am

ContinentalEWR, AA never used A300's on MIA-MAD.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 11:50 am

The A300-600 does not have the legs for MIA-MAD,

EWR, JFK, BOS-LHR was stretching it's range.
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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 12:07 pm

Technically, the A300-600R can make it MIA-MAD, but not with any extra cargo. I'd be surprised if AA used it on such a lucrative route.

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RE: American A300-600s.....

Mon May 19, 2003 12:23 pm

I worked a few EWR-SJU rotations this winter, and on most flights we would be pushing packed to the gills in the cabin and below.

I would stand by the door to say goodbye to the pax after arrival in SJU, and boy, were they an interesting bunch! Never saw so many Playmate coolers and Glad trash bags in the cabin in my life! I think the 76's will be back next winter to San Juan and Santo Domingo.

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