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BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 5:08 pm

Number of group aircraft in service at March 31, 2003: 330

Deliveries
11 Airbus A320
1 Embraer RJ145

Aircraft disposals or returns to lessors
9 Boeing 757-200
2 Boeing 777
6 Boeing 737-300
2 Boeing 737-400
4 de Havilland Canada DHC-8
2 Embraer RJ145
1 Jetstream 41

Stand-downs
1 Boeing 757-200
2 Boeing 737-400
2 SSC Concorde
11 Jetstream 41
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 8:47 pm

I knew they were getting rid of the 757's (the oldest one is now 20!), 767's and the Concordes but I didn't know they grounded 2 777's. I thought they were happy with those. What surprises me is that they grounded 2 777's instead of 2 747's (400 of course since they have no more Classics). British Airways was looking at the 777-300ER to eventually replace the 747-400's in the long run, maybe next decade.
They are taking delivery of a batch of A320's to replace 737's, some of the latter being grounded as well, that's normal. They are planning to build up an all-Airbus fleet in the short and medium haul sector.

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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 10:04 pm

That two more 777s are grounded is no surprise at all. They already planned to phase out the oldest 777 "A"s last year. Two were disposed of last June and now have a hard time after a lease to Khalifa fell through.
And on the other hand I don´t see BA replacing 744s with 773ERs anytime soon. And if later, only in small numbers. The 773 is no suitable flagship aircraft for a big operator as BA is. On top that would also mean they would fall behind Virgin with their A380s coming. I don´t think BA can afford such an image blow.
People would look down on them. If BA wants to stay the big shot it still is today they must order 747 NGs or A380 in the future.
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 11:03 pm

I cant see the Virgin A380's ever arriving. They have no need for such a big aircraft on any of their current routes, with the exception of JFK, where frequencies are king. LAX may be an exception.
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 11:05 pm

BestWestern,

For exactly the reasons you have given , the A380's are arriving.
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 11:09 pm

VS601, please explain...
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 11:15 pm

JFK and LAX routes would both benefit from operating on a bigger aircraft, less frequencies on such busy routes. Likewise JNB is always completely full and will also be used by A380, BA have 2 flts daily as do SAA to and from LHR. These flts are generally full too. So We do have need to operate bigger aircraft on a few routes..
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Tue May 20, 2003 11:36 pm

VS should downsize on JFK, and offer more frequencies to LHR, to the benefit of the corporate market.

JNB and LAX would benefit from additional capacity, but at the cost of introducing a brand new aircraft type into the fleet would negate any growth potential.


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RE: BA Fleet Status

Wed May 21, 2003 12:17 am

Perhaps you are right, all i know is that for the time being they are scheduled for delivery in summer of 2006.
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Wed May 21, 2003 1:11 am

The BA mainline fleet currently consists of 239 aircraft.

All the 757s are going? Also the 767s too? The two 777s that will be returned to Boeing are by no doubt 'A' market ones, BA simply doesn't need them.

The A320 delieveries are steady, and the 733s especially are all being dispersed off to various people. Three 744s had been in storage at CWL until very recently, one (G-CIVB) is still there until the 31st of this month due to the Gulf conflict.

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RE: BA Fleet Status

Wed May 21, 2003 1:59 am

My original data is from the BA annual report press release, dated yesterday, and I presume that its accurate... unless they are lying to the Stock Exchange!

Because of this, I presume that the figure of 330 they give is accurate.
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Wed May 21, 2003 8:11 am

Flying the 380 into SA - New York">JFK from LHR makes no sense.It's way too big for a route that has a capacity glut in economy already.Frequency,not size,is the king on that route due to the high number of coporate(ie front cabin)passengers who pay the bills.

JNB may well need a 380 given its growing tourist status but the SA economy isn't exactly shining so this may prove pricy.
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Wed May 21, 2003 5:24 pm

Does that list include VH-NLH?

The wife says she got stuck at the 'level crossing' while NLH was towed across to the maintennace area on ger way home from work a few days ago so I guess that G-BNLH will be back in the fleet very shortly.



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RE: BA Fleet Status

Wed May 21, 2003 6:32 pm

The fleet size depends on whether you include the BA CitiExpress aircraft or not. With the former British Regional, former Brymon, and former CityFlyer aircraft included the higher figure looks accurate. If they're not, then the lower figure is.
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Thu May 22, 2003 12:14 am

Why are the Jetstream 41s noted as "stand-downs"? I thought those J41s are already in service with Eastern?
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Thu May 22, 2003 12:30 am

As of financial year end the J-31s were still in the BA fleet, and not yet delivered to Eastern.
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Virgin A380

Thu May 22, 2003 2:32 am

Well this week’s Flight International has a special feature on the A380. Virgin’s plans are apparently as follows:

- Initial destinations following delivery of the first two in July 2006 (VS being the second airline to receive the aircraft following SIA) are New York JFK and Los Angeles.
- In year two, Washington Dulles and San Francisco. Asian destinations such as Tokyo Narita could also be considered.
- Perhaps South Africa in year three.

Configuration of 520-540 seats (like most airlines) and we shouldn’t expect too many novel innovations. Any new products installed in the A380 must be applicable across the whole fleet.

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RE: BA Fleet Status

Thu May 22, 2003 2:35 am

I would like to see the configuration of those 520-540 seats.Y to JFK already has greater supply than demand-there are just under 20 dailies a day on the route from London!!
 
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RE: BA Fleet Status

Thu May 22, 2003 3:52 am

And on the other hand I don´t see BA replacing 744s with 773ERs anytime soon.

I read somewhere that BA was negotiating with Boeing over the 773/ER prior to 9-11 to replace the older 744's in markets that don't require the 744 range. I presume those negotiations have long since been suspended.



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