United777
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CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Wed May 21, 2003 7:11 pm

Which 70 seat aircraft would you prefer the CRJ-700 or ERJ-170?

When is the first ERJ-170 going into service and which airline will fly it first?
 
Boeing Nut
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Wed May 21, 2003 9:28 pm

I've been on the CRJ's. At 6'2" they are a little cramped for me. I've seen photos of the mock ups of the ERJ 170's and I would have to go with them if I had the choice.

I believe Swiss is in line for the first 170, but don't quote me on that.

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bucky707
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Wed May 21, 2003 10:08 pm

I have flown in the CRJ's, both the 50 and 70. The 70 is a little more comfortable, but still a little tight. So I would go with the EMB-170. I also think a big advantage for the airlines will be the growth potential of the EMB-170. The family will seat up to 120 pax eventually, giving one aircraft type covering 70-120 seat.
 
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Wed May 21, 2003 10:14 pm

I imagine the 170 will be more comfortable.

It also weighs more and will cost more to fly...(likely that is why Bombardier can keep the CRJ700 competitive...).


 
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Wed May 21, 2003 10:56 pm

I had several flights on CRJ´s and like Boeing nut with my 6.4 i didn´t feel very comfortable. The EMB 170 is a new family concep. The CRJ´s still base on the Business Jet.
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SegmentKing
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 12:26 am

The ERJ does weigh more, cost a bit more, but has more room for passengers *and* cargo... plus standard airline size seats and overhead bins...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

plus those 2 hairdryers on the wings make it look SO cute!!

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vector
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 12:59 am

First Embraer 170 will go to the Alitalia Express this year (third quarter).

Because of the double-bubble fuselage cross-section, the space available for passengers make this aircraft more confortable.

Cabin cross-section: 3,35m (height) x 3,01 (width)
Pax cabin dimentions: 2m (height) x 2,47 m (width)
Overhead bins: 0,21 m3

Interior features: flat floor (no steps inside cabin), 2x2 seat configation or 2x1 business class config., 4 plug type doors (2 pax + 2 service)

regards
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 1:15 am

Kind of strange that so many guys in this post believe that because they had a so-so experience with a CRJ, they will automatically have a better experience with an ERJ. Why don't we simply wait and see?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
 
vector
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 1:24 am

Well,

In my case I have experience with the CRJ200 and with the Embraer 170. Assuming the the CRJ700 interior size (width and heigth) is almost the same that the CRJ200, my opinnion is that the 170 have a lot more space and it is more confortable too.

It´s really beautifull and confortable. Same level of confort that you can find on Boeing or Airbus.


 
ouboy79
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 2:12 am

We'll all find out about the Embraer 170 (Not ERJ-170 for the 100th time) when it begins service with US Airways in Q4 of this year. There is a computer generated image of the 170 in the US Airways scheme in this weeks issue of AW&ST, looks very good. And yes...it is in MAINLINE colors - no Express titles.
 
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 2:37 am

well i've been in a mock-up ... so I can speak from experience that this is definitely a superior aircraft!

and btw, the CRJ-700/900 shares the same fuselage plugs as the original :P

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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 4:45 am

Well, the true test is how much money is will make for it's owner's.
While not the most comfortable, the CRJ series--particularly the 700 and 900's have decend revenue potential.

I imagine after the initial teething problems, the EMB's will be just as reliable.
 
petertenthije
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 5:58 am

Isn't it a buit premature to start comparing. After all, the ERJ-170 has yet to make its first passenger flight. Now if you were comparing the F70 and/or the ARJ/BAe146 with the CRJ-700...
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matt777
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RE: CRJ-700 Or EMB-170

Thu May 22, 2003 6:36 am

Alitalia will be the launch customer  Big thumbs up
Forza Alitalia!  Laugh out loud
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Greg
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 9:42 am

It's not the least bit premature. Airlines are making multi million dollar decisions based on the same speculation on the CRJ vs EMB's.

If they can...there is obviously no reason we can't make comments as well.
 
United777
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 12:24 pm

What kind of engines those the ERJ-170 use? Is GE available?
 
garuda
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 12:27 pm

The EMBRAER (not ERJ) 170 families are using GE CF-34 engines, the same engines as CRJ 200/700/900
 
petertenthije
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Thu May 22, 2003 7:20 pm

If they [the airlines] can...there is obviously no reason we can't make comments as well.

I would like to think that the airlines are a bit better informed than most of us. And what the airlines choose is not necessarily what the passenger would choose. We have only looked on the comfort in this thread. The cabin dimensions and how smooth/rough the CRJ is. For all we know the ERJ-170 might be a lot rougher or indeed smoother then the CRJ.

Aso, when many airlines are ordering the ERJ-170 then that does not mean it offers the best ride. If the ERJ-170 turns out to be less uncomfortable but also a lot cheaper to operate, then you can bet the ERJ-170 will be bought.
Similarly if the ERJ-170 is a lot more comfortable, but more expensive to operate the CRJ-700 stands to gain.

It's all about economics these days, and rightly so.
Attamottamotta!
 
ouboy79
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Fri May 23, 2003 1:00 am

You'd think people would actually start calling it by its actual name, Embraer 170..., and not ERJ-170. Funny people actually get upset when you refer to Concorde as...the concorde.
 
SegmentKing
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RE: CRJ-700 Or ERJ-170

Fri May 23, 2003 1:33 am

Actually, on all the sales material that I've seen or been given, including directly from Embraer, they call it the EMB170... *shrugs*

<< from an e-mail from the Director of Sales >>

Part two:

(See attached file: EMB170LR.pdf) (See attached file: EMB175LR.pdf)

<< end >>

Although this plane isn't quite a regional jet.

In regards to the engines, near same core, just a different, more powerful derivative...


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