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A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 4:05 am

This week’s Flight International has a special 30-page special feature on the Airbus A380. While I was slightly disappointed that it mostly focussed on the technical side of things instead of sales and operational, it nonetheless makes an excellent read and is worth purchasing.

Anyway, here are the key pieces of information I noted in the in the 3 page Operators section.

Airline Delivery Dates:

Singapore Airlines: March 2006
Virgin Atlantic: July 2006
Emirates: October 2006
Qantas: November 2006
Air France: November 2006
[ILFC]: June 2007
Lufthansa: September 2007
Malaysia Airlines: ? 2007
FedEx: August 2008
Qatar Airways: ? 2008

[I was very surprised to see Virgin Atlantic as the second operator and not Emirates as was so widely reported]

Virgin Atlantic:

- 2 in 2006, 2 in 2007 and 2 in 2008.
- Initial destinations following delivery of the first two in will be New York JFK and Los Angeles.
- In year two, Washington Dulles and San Francisco. Asian destinations such as Tokyo Narita could also be considered.
- Perhaps South Africa in year three.
- Virgin’s planes will be equipped with upwards of 500 seats and it expects most airlines to install 520 to 540 seats. We shouldn’t expect too many novel innovations. Any new products installed in the A380 must be applicable on the A340s and B747s too.

Emirates:

- Dubai’s new terminal, exclusively for EK, will have 23 A380 compatible stands with double level jetties.
- The upper deck will be configured entirely with F and C Class cabins and since the new concourse(s) will have premium lounges on the top floor, it will be possible for lounge users to board directly to the upper deck of A380.

London Heathrow:

- Airbus predicts LHR will be second only to Tokyo Narita in the number of A380s it handles through 2019.
- Terminal 5 will have 10 A380 compatible stands with two level jetties. 4 remote stands also being constructed.
- By the time the A380 enters service, Terminal 3 will have 4 A380 stands each with two jetties, including one capable of reaching the upper deck. 4 more jetty stands should be completed by 2008.
- Plans for Terminal 4 (from where Qantas operates) have not been finalised but Flight International understands it will initially have one A380 stand.
- The A380 will only be able to use the Southern runway (27L/09R) since work on the Northern one won’t be completed until 2008.

[But LHR’s runways currently operate in segregated mode to provide noise relied for residents. How will the A380 get around this until 2008?]

Other Airports:

- New York JFK, Miami and San Francisco have all submitted their MoS packages for FAA evaluation and are confident they will be ready in time. However, there are some concerns about Los Angeles, an early destination for Virgin, Qantas, Singapore Airlines and maybe Emirates.
- Sydney has upgraded its master plan to include more gates and upper level jetties and the airside upgrade at Paris CDG has already begun.
- Other early airports such as Dubai, Hong Kong, Tokyo Narita, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore are preparing “without major issue”.

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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 4:09 am

Yes, a good extensive article, well worth a look.
 
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 4:31 am

So Dubai will have more A380 gates than LHR?
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 5:00 am

Mt99,

Well it certainly looks like it.

Dubai: 23+ gates
LHR 2008: T5: 10 / T3: 8 / T4: no known but for the total to reach 23, it would beed 5+.

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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 7:16 am

- Plans for Terminal 4 (from where Qantas operates) have not been finalised but Flight International understands it will initially have one A380 stand

I thought the plan was for QF to move to T4 along with the rest of OneWorld but this will be negated if T5 doesn't open till 2007!
If SAA were to get the A380 they would then need to move to another terminal given they currently use T1.
 
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 10:30 am

Yes, great issue-glad I subscribe! Disappointed that Aviation Week hasn't run a similar issue but after this, not to be outdone by FI, they probably will.
 
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 11:38 am

If the article is correct, if you want to see fairly frequent visits by the A380-800 prototype and early production models to test already-existing gate facilities might as well make a trip to SFO!  Big thumbs up

This is not a surprise that SFO will be a primary destination for the A388 because it's one of the very first airports in the world that is ready to handle the A388 out of the box with 80 x 80 meter gate sizing and higher-capacity Customs and Immigration facilities.
 
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Thu May 22, 2003 1:24 pm

As a Los Angeleno I am very disappointed that my city is not really moving on this issue of readiness for the A380. All the politicians, none of whom want to go near the red-hot issue of airport expansion, are just sticking their heads in the sand, and as a result we risk losing not only traffic to SFO, but our primacy as North America's primary Pacific gateway.
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Fri May 23, 2003 2:30 am

Donder10,

Is Terminal 5 really big enough for ALL One World flights? I personally don't think so but I might be wrong. BTW, the opening date is 2008 AFAIK.

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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Fri May 23, 2003 7:15 am

Next time you fly in or out of LHR, take a look at the T5 building site, it is vast.
 
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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Fri May 23, 2003 7:28 am

GBD,

I downloaded the "Regulations and Terminal 5" slideshow from the BAA website (dated 25th of March 2003), the only thing I could find containing any decent information about the new Terminal. I am surprised at how little the BAA are releasing compared to what some other airports (such as Zurich) do.

Anyway, slide 28 has an overview of the whole plan and I count about 40 contact stands, and looking at the distance between them they seem optimised for widebodies. I doubt that really is enough for all OneWorld short-haul and long-haul flights but I might be totally wrong.

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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Fri May 23, 2003 7:45 am

One of the interesting things about T5 is the rail connections it will have with other terminals.

It will have direct train connections with T1,2 and 3 via the tube line extension and the Heathrow Express trains. There will be no direct rail connection to Terminal Four. Presumably passengers will have to use buses to get to T4 if transfering, otherwise its into T1,2,3 (Heathrow Central) station, a change of train, to get back out to T4 on the Heathrow Express (you can't use the tube as it is on a one way loop going in the direction of T4 to T1,2,3.)

So...

If I was OneWorld (BA) I woudl move One World airlines to T5 for international and hub connections and keep UK and Europe flight in T1 an 2 repectively.

But what would you do with T4 ? It will have by far the worst connections. The Heathrow Express(HEX) trains from central london will have two effective destinations at Heathow - all will server T1,2,3 and then either T4 (as now) or T5. With BAs sway over BAA I would not be surprised to see 3 in every 4 trains (tube of HEX) going to T5 and T4 getting one 1 in 4 (It can be argured on demand as T5 will be busier that T4 with one of the UK national carriers (BA) being resident).

T4 is going to be the poor mans terminal, offering the worst connections to other terminals and London.

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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Sat May 24, 2003 4:26 am

@Teahan
Do you have a link for that slide show?
Could not find it on the BAA website.

Did find this fine rendering though [3.3MB!!]:http://www.baa.co.uk/images/t5/download/100403_campus_pc.zip

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RE: A380 Feature In Flight International

Sat May 24, 2003 4:42 am

PW100,

Slides (well in a .pdf file) can be found here: http://www.baa.co.uk/main/corporate/investor_relations/presentations_page.html

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