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Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 2:51 am

I was watching an awesome documentary about Romania, and one of the things mentioned was how the country embarked on a crash-course in industrialisation, building factories like crazy. It occured to me that one of the products was the ROMBAC111. "Oh yeah, Romania built jet airliners!" So it got me thinking. Who else? (I've left Airbus off cos no single country builds them - fuselages by the French, engines by the USA, ashtrays by the Brits etc.)

USA - Boeing (we all know), McDD (we all know), Lockheed (Tristar), General Dynamics (CV880 & 990).
Holland - Fokker F28, F70, F100
France - Caravelle, Mercure
Romania - ROMBAC 111
Britain - Comet 1-4, VC10, BAC111, Trident, BAe 146 (and the ARJ), Concorde
Germany - VFW614
China - MD80s under licence, and wasn't there a 707 clone?
Canada - Avro Jetliner, Canadair RJs
Brazil - Embraer RJs
Russia - lots of TUs and ILs

Interesting cos I always just think of the USA, France and Britain. But it's a surprising list when you think about it (ROMANIA!?!).
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:04 am

If I recall the Concorde was made by like 6 different countries.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:05 am

I think that ROMBAC111 was just a BAC 1-11 built under licence much like China building the MD80.  Smile
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:08 am

"If I recall the Concorde was made by like 6 different countries"

We could say that about most aircraft.
Look how many countries contribute to Boeing's products for instance.
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:11 am

(I've left Airbus off cos no single country builds them - fuselages by the French, engines by the USA, ashtrays by the Brits etc.)

In that case no country in the world makes airplanes. The US, France, the UK, Russia and the Ukraine will be able to do so, but do not do so for economic reasons.

It is cheaper for Boeing and Airbus to buy parts abroad. As you mentioned the American engines for Airbus, but similarly the CFM and RR engines for Boeing. Russia might be able to make complete jets (airframe and engines), but they probably lack the money to do so, although a co-operating with the Ukraine would be recommendable. It should be mentioned though that those Russian planes would be low-tech since there is no provider of fly-by-wire technology in Russia. Russia would have to import that techniology from the US/Europe.


To add to your list,

Israel used to make/makes some biz-jets: Astra, Galaxy, Westwind
Ukraine: Anything Antonov
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:14 am

NZ767-You are right, I should have clarified my statement. Certain countries specialized in certain area's of the plane. I have a book that has a section on it.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:17 am

I don't recall what it was called but didn't East Germany way back when create a jet airliner also? Real ugly looking from what I recall.

[Edited 2003-05-23 20:20:24]
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:19 am

Yeah right, good points all. God knows what I was thinking by including Concorde in the 'Britain' list, I discounted Airbus on the grounds that they're a consortium but Concorde is the one that created the template. Sorry France.

Also, I know the ROMBAC111 was someone else's design produced under licence. But a notable achievement for such a small country.

Now, what about that Chinese 707 clone?
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:22 am

Sweden
Saab 340/2000

Spain
Casa 212
CN235 (along with Indonesia)

Japan
YS-11

Although as has been said, no one country is ever solely responsible for an aircraft, for example the Fokker 100 actually had more British content (engines, fuselage?) than the 'British' BAe 146 which had Swedish wings and US engines.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 4:49 am

...ashtrays by the Brits

We'll deliver your next Airbus without its British wings and see how far you get with it. If it wasn't for the Brits, Airbus would be called...er...Bus. Big grin
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:00 am

Ukraine - An-74 and eventually An-148

Turkey has proposed the HD-19 STOL twin-jet from TUSAS Aerospace Industries.

Indonesia and India each have proposed 120-seat jet designs. Don't see them going very far though.

Romaero was the company which assembled BAC 1-11 kits (nine in total, all to Romavia and Tarom). Romaero also build the BN Islander...
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:03 am

How about a city that could build an entire? As far as I know, YUL is the only city in the world where you could build an entire plane. Bombardier could build the wings and fuselage; P&W Canada could build the engines; Héroux-Devtek or Messier-Dowty could build the landing gears; Honeywell could supply the avionic and CAE could supply the simulator!!! Which city in the world can beat that?

The only plane that came close to be a true "Montreal airplane" is the CL-415.

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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:18 am

You can add Hawker Siddely and De Havilland to your UK list.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:21 am

Canada
Canadair Regional Jet, Challenger, Global Express and Learjet(USA used to do it until it was bought by Bombardier)

Brazil
Embraer series
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:33 am

USA - Boeing (we all know),

Not true at all:

Arent part of the 747 and 777 made by different countries??

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If i remember correctly, the 777 is built in the USA, but parts come from all over the world.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:44 am

You could have built an entire aircraft in Bristol in the 1950s when the Bristol company manufactured both airframes and engines.

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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 5:53 am

You'd be amazed how many parts of the 777 is made outside of the US, nearly 40% of all parts in a 777 comes from Asia, mainly Japan, Mitsubishi, Kawasaki to name a few.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 6:09 am

Don't forget Antonov ( AN-225 - the biggest one around ! )

Also Concorde was assemblied in two countries

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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 6:20 am

Canada was one of the earliest countries to build a jet transport -
The Avro Canada Jetliner, 4 engine jet aircraft, straight wing, around 1947-48...
The Vickers Viking-Nene was also the first British jet airliner, around 1947...
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 6:27 am

What about Cessna in the US?
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 6:28 am

Cedarjet:

"Now, what about that Chinese 707 clone?"

I don't know about a 707 clone but they did build a Trident clone.
Can't remember what it was called though and I'm too tired to searc........zzzzzzz!!!
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 7:00 am

I don't recall what it was called but didn't East Germany way back when create a jet airliner also? Real ugly looking from what I recall.

Yes, The VBF Baade 152 was built in Dresden in East Germany in the 50s. It was a four-jet, high-wing airliner seating between 48 and 72 passengers. Looking like the Boeing B-47 bomber, only one prototype was completed.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 12:22 pm

Cedarjet is right about China building a 707 clone, i remember seeing a picture of it somewhere, when i find it i'll let ya know what it's called. Also doesn't Boeing get it's Aluminum from Russia or something?
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 1:11 pm

The reason why Airbus Industrie came into being was the fact that European airlines realized the Hawker Siddeley HS. 121 Trident and the Sud-Aviation Caravelle weren't going to cut it with the rapid increases in European air travel, with airlines like British European Airways, Lufthansa, Air France and Air Inter needing bigger and bigger planes. That's why German, French, British and Spanish aerospace collaborated to create Airbus.

It's small wonder why they first built the A300B/A310 for higher-density routes, then built the A320 Family of planes as true Trident/Caravelle replacements, then the A330/A340 for medium/long-range routes, and now the A380 for long-range high-density routes.
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 2:56 pm

Connector4you can probably give some insight into Romania's ROMBAC111.
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:52 pm

Not only VFW614 and - well - Baade 152 in Germany. Don't forget the Dornier aircraft like the 228 and 328.

By the way the prototype of Baade 152 crashed during a test flight, which was a welcomed reason to stop that project.
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 8:22 pm

Here you can find more information about the Baade VL-DDR 152. It even has a picture so you should open it at your own discretion. Don't blame me when you get nightmares and require 10 years of psychiatric counceling. Big grin

http://airlines.afriqonline.com/aircraft/paper/

Best news of it all is that the airframe still exists (cough). A photo of the remains was posted the airlinerworld message board for a "gues the aicraft competition". I do not know how to post the picture directly or even how to link to the picture directly, so I post a link to the thread. Here too, open at your own discretion!

http://www.keypublishing.com/forum/showthread.php?s=eb45e6ef1323b0ef80ec8390a1791cd9&threadid=12055&highlight=east+german

Sorry for any damage I might have caused, do not tell me I did not warn you! Big grin
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 10:58 pm

Petertenthije, I have a question with regards to your earlier post. You said, "It should be mentioned though that those Russian planes would be low-tech since there is no provider of fly-by-wire technology in Russia. Russia would have to import that techniology from the US/Europe."

Where did you get the information that there is no high-tech avionics supplier in Russia? FYI, the Ilyushin IL-96-300, which first flew in 1988, is entirely fly-by-wire, and Russian-built to boot. Also, the avionics suite used in the Tupolev TU-204 with PS90A2 turbofans is Russian-made, as is the suite for the TU-334. I believe the RB211-535-powered TU-204 version has a Western avionics suite by Honeywell, but I'm unsure. The US government under Bush killed the deal to supply Ilyushin with Rockwell/Collins avionics and PW2337 engines for the IL-96M/T.

Though not as advanced as some Western jetliners, Ilyushin and Tupolev have managed to hold their own without aid from the West in building their newest aircraft, producing them using entirely domestic sources. Ukrainian designer Antonov has done fairly well also. While foreign investment and the ready availability of Western engines and avionics would greatly help the Russian and Ukrainian aircraft industries, so far it has been shown they are not entirely necessary for the production of world-class aircraft.
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sat May 24, 2003 11:35 pm

It is? I am sorry, I did not realise that. I thought the IL-96 and the TU-204 were equiped with Western fly-by-wire systems. I knew they were equiped with Russian engines.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 12:02 am

The Chinese airliner referred to by some is the Shanghai Y-10. It was effectively a clone of a 707 - it has been said that it was built by engineers studying a dismantled 707 and copying the components. 1 was built and first flew in 1980; there were also 2 static airframes. The type was abandoned by 1983 as China negotiated to build MD80s under licence.

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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 12:36 am

 Laugh out loud Italy ( Big thumbs up) and France make the ATRs 42 and 72
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 12:54 am

Poland:
PZL Mielec made the An-28, and also some variants...
(although no Polish engines)

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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 1:54 am

Concorde was nearly all Anglo-French, including systems, a bit from the US, but mostly split between the UK and France, all part of the political agreement.
ROMBAC 1-11s started as kits from BAe, with more local content as the project progressed, but I'm not sure how far it got, it was protracted, all part Caucescu's vainglorious vision, they had a locally assembled 1-11 at the 1984 Farnbourough show.
China never built Tridents, they all came from Hatfield, they came close to assembling VC-10s but the project fell through in 1973.
 
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 2:56 am

Trintocan is correct. The Shanghai Y-10 is of historic importance because it was China's first indigenous jetliner - not a license-built copy of a Soviet aircraft. In dimensions, the aircraft was closer to the Boeing 720. Engines were Pratt & Whitney JT-3Ds, spares from CAAC's purchase of 707-3J6 airliners after President's 1972 visit to the Asian nation.

You can get a glance of the aircraft and its specs at the following Web site:
http://www.saic-china.com/english/airproduct/y-10.htm
And in Russian: http://www.cofe.ru/Avia/S/S-182.htm
Photo: http://www.cofe.ru/Avia/S/photos_avia_S-182.htm

You can see some black & white photos in Jane's Aviation Update Annual (or whatever the title is); the aircraft was featured in several volumes in the early 1980s but after 1984 is no longer mentioned. I apologize I don't have a scanner to include at least my grainy photocopies.

Only one airframe ever flew. I have been trying to find out what became of the aircraft. I heard a rumor that it was preserved at an aviation museum near Shanghai but haven't been able to verify that. I keep hoping that this historic aircraft is alive and in reasonable condition somewhere.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 2:57 am

The wing for MD-11s were built near Toronto (Canada) in the early 1990's.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 3:06 am

Indonesia had a regional jet on the drawing board, the Indonesian Aerospace N2130:
http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/n2130/

In addition, some Il-62s were built in Kazakhstan.
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RE: Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?

Sun May 25, 2003 3:24 am

Interesting article on Chinese, Japanese, and Korean regional jet proposals and studies:

http://pathfinder.com/asiaweek/97/0425/aa1.html
http://pathfinder.com/asiaweek/97/0425/aa1a.html

Cannot find any pics, though.
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