Ciro
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An Alliance For America West?

Sun May 25, 2003 1:46 pm

I say America West will partner with American Airlines (and later on with OneWorld) after both carriers finish their latest adjustment processes.

The proposed deal will be very similar to the one entered by United & US Airways.

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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Sun May 25, 2003 2:17 pm

Right... And you're basing this on what exactly?
 
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Sun May 25, 2003 2:19 pm

I think that's funny.....respectfully.
 
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Sun May 25, 2003 2:49 pm

I think that will never happen. i think that AA and HP have very different styles of business and i think that that wont ever happen, the same thing that happened with continental when HP changed there bussiness plan, so i dont think that will ever happen!@
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Sun May 25, 2003 4:55 pm

There was an article I posted somewhere on here not long ago with an interview with the CEO of TZ speculating on a future alignment between TZ and HP...
 
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Sun May 25, 2003 11:11 pm

Man... It's has always been the same sort of response for the past three years everytime I post something like this! So, here is my answer again: "Wait and see!".
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Mon May 26, 2003 8:20 am

A partnership between America West and an airline like American, or any other of the largest U.S. airlines is extremely unlikely. When America West revamped their pricing structure to mirror that of Southwest's, they essentially alienated themselves from all the other major U.S. carriers. Continental terminated their codeshare agreement with the airline and all the other carriers began to drastically cut fares in markets where America West had the only nonstop (i.e. CMH-LAX).

However, an alliance between America West and another low fare carrier, such as ATA or AirTran, is definitely not out of the question.
 
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Mon May 26, 2003 8:29 am

This would be like SAKS Fifth Avenue and K Mart hooking up.
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Mon May 26, 2003 8:32 am

LOL, nice comparison.... or Massirati and Hyundai hooking up.
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Mon May 26, 2003 1:33 pm

Believe it or not, before 9/11 there actually was talk between AA and HP in regards to an alliance. The handwriting was on the wall back in 2000 for HP/CO alliance, so they began looking for a new partner. HP had just announced and were just about to launch a new partnership with TW, until AA acquired TW. HP and AA began talks immediately thereafter about a possible alliance, but those talks were shelved as a result of 9/11 and have not resumed. After 9/11, HP started prowling around again for a partner and they landed the code-share with Hawaiian last year.
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Mon May 26, 2003 4:36 pm

Jmc1975, what you wrote is not a surprise... Conversations will resume soon and I am sure we will get some good news out of it.

Just allow the carriers some more time, until the current turmoil is over.


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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Mon May 26, 2003 10:02 pm

I would be surprised myself to see this happen, based on HP's user friendly fares and fare levels. Yeah TWA before the merger/buy out I could have seen it, now I would be surprised. CO dropped them because of HP's pricing.
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Tue May 27, 2003 6:48 am

I think that the airlines should look hard and well at picking up HP as either a codeshare partner or taking the extra mile and drawing them into an alliance. America West provides superb travel throughout the western United States, and have some cross-country routes such as HP256 SAN-PHL (flight stops in PHX before continuing on). I might make mention that I will be on HP 256 on the 27th of August, my 3rd time on that route. Anyhow, they also have EWR/JFK-PHX and other assorted East-West services. Not only would a large codeshare/alliance be good for other airlines in the aspect that they would gain some presence in the Western United States, and gain access to two of the United State's fastest growing cities (PHX and LAS)....but HP could certainly use some more international growth. Just my two cents.

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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Tue May 27, 2003 12:46 pm

I am not gonna deny that a codehsare would hurt them i think it would help them immensley, ii just dont believe that anyone would want to bc of there business plane!
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Tue May 27, 2003 11:22 pm

Don't know if America West will ever join OneWorld but would like to see it happen. OneWorld does need more members!!!!
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 1:51 am

I don't mean to turn this into a oneworld discussion,JAL, but while oneworld does need more members, it does not need any in the United States 50.

In regards to the topic, I have to agree with Luv2Fly's expression, "That would be like Saks Fifth Ave and K-Mart hooking up."

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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 5:41 am

I don't know why people downplay HP so much-as in the comment made above assimilating HP with K-Mart. America West is a great airline, and has accomplished a lot in their 21 years or so of operation. They are working on revamping their low-cost structure and are playing the ball game very strategically. Once the global economy turns around again, I think HP will flourish as they did throughout most of the late 90's up until 2000. Of course they have takern a shot in the wallet over the past year or two, but what US major hasn't asides from WN? They've survived the toughest of hardships and have had one hell of a management staff throughout their years. They were once proclaimed the US's worst airline. Never could get their flights in on time, rude staff, complaints all across the board. Look at where they are now. The airline was brought to the brink of death at one point, but they turned things around.

The bottom line is, don't knock it before you try it. I fly HP a few times a year, and my trips with them are very enjoyable. You have your good flights, and you have your bad flights-just like any other airline out there.

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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 6:02 am

I have flown HP and yes they are a great little airline. My comparison is in reference to the pricing difference between what AA charges and what HP charges. The differences is that noticeable. I could see them hooking up with AirTran, Frontier or ATA, tho AA being a major and so called full service airline that I can not see. CO dropped HP based on there pricing structure.
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 6:38 am

Well put it this way, when I booked to go out to SAN this July/August, at the time I bought my tickets it was a base price of $212 with HP (with tax the total came out to be $258). The base price with AA was $530 and with tax it would have ended up to be about $580 or so. Do you get the same level of service with HP than you do AA? Most certainly. Is HP comparable to AA in terms of on-time performance and luggage handling? Yes, and even at times HP at has succeeded AA at doing so. I paid about 1/3 and am getting basically the same level of service. Thats what puts peoples rear-ends in the seats of your airplanes.

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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 7:15 am

DeltaMD11

I can not agree with you more. I just can not see AA hooking up with HP based on what HP charges and what AA charges. Now a days I believe the service levels on both are about the same.
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 8:01 am

What's unfortunate is that WN and HP would make beautiful alliance partners in the respect that they have very similar cost structures/business ideals. It would never work though b/c they are direct competitors.

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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 5:18 pm

People still have to realize that general managerial and marketing structures are important for launching deals between airlines, however, much more critical than these aspects are the accessibility to key markets and scale.

The most successful, long-term lasting relationships between airlines have a lot do to with reaching markets and, apparently, other considerations are considered to be minor. A good example to illustrate can be the British Airways pooling services that started back in 1983.

Regarding airline cooperation, we should not get hooked in details while analyzing business opportunities. They are, surely, important; but (apart from the wages and the fixed costs) the airline business models are relative flexible and easy to be changed. Just look at Delta Airlines and Song.

A very good friend of mine, a former Air France VP for the Americas, once said: "Do we have a choice by not linking up with Delta? We are too different in so many ways; but there's a common need: extra traffic!"

Pragmatism is important and this is the key force, which will eventually lead to a code-sharing deal between HP and AA.


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Ciro
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RE: An Alliance For America West?

Wed May 28, 2003 5:26 pm

My apologies... In the posting above, I was referring to the pooling services between British Airways and Aeroflot to Moscow, which started in 1983.


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