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50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:10 pm

Which airlines are over 50 years old. The only one I can think of is Singapore Airlines.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:23 pm

Continental, UAL, AA, DL, NWA to name a few.
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:25 pm

I think KLM claims to be the world's oldest airline, I could be wrong though.

If Eastern were still around I believe they would be the oldest.
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:26 pm

Mexicana Airlines

is about 80 years old
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:27 pm

Mexicana is 82 years old and its the fourth oldest airline in the world.

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:35 pm

KLM is the worlds oldest airline, dating from the 1920's (forget the exact year, but since I am drinking free beer in the SYD Qantas Club, I have an excuse! Big grin )

Qantas *could* be said to be the worlds oldest CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING airline, IF you consider that KLM ceased RPT operations during WWII. Most aviation enthusiasts (including myself, an unashamed Qantas fanatic) however discount this, as the only reason KLM ceased RPT ops was due to the German occupation of The Netherlands.

So, there are STACKS of carriers out there that are a lot older than 50 years old.

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 12:38 pm

EL AL ISRAEL AIRLINES, 1948 (55!)

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 1:00 pm

HA and AQ have both been around for 50+ years. AQ just turned 50 last year and HA will be 74 on Nov. 11.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 1:03 pm

Hawaiian Airlines will be 74 this November. Started in 1929 as Interisland Airways flying S-43's.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 1:09 pm

Most of the world's major airlines are older than 50 years old. Many airlines were founded after World War II such as Alitalia. Though many have histories that predate the war such as British Airways, KLM, South African Airways, United Airlines. Some airlines began under different names, for instance US Airways was once Allegheny Airlines and later USAir. Singapore Airlines can not claim to be over 50 years except as a successor to Malayan Airways which was founded in 1937 (though did not begin operations until 10 years later due to the war). Malayan Airways then became Malaysian Airways in 1963. When Singapore became independent in 1965, the airline became Malaysia Singapore Airlines, or MSA. Finally in 1971 the joint venture ended with the separation into Malaysia Airlines System (MAS) and Singapore Airlines. So if you want to be technical SIA was officially born in 1972.
 
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Mon May 26, 2003 1:13 pm

LOT Polish Airlines is around 70 years old.

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 1:21 pm

Aer Lingus is also over Fifty Years old. I think that Lufthansa is also over 50. There are many, many airlines that are over 50.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 1:28 pm

The first ever commercial airline was Aircraft Transport and Travel (AT&T) that made it's initial flight on 25 August 1919 from Hounslow Heath (LHR) to Paris (LBG).

Brtish Airways can trace it's history directly back to that flight.

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Mon May 26, 2003 1:33 pm

Cathay Pacific was founded in Hong Kong on 24 September, 1946:

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Alaska Airlines has been around in one form or another since 1932. However, Alaska Airlines Inc. was formed May 2, 1944 (I've also heard June 6, 1944).

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:09 pm

KLM operated a limited service in the Dutch Caribbean during WW2...

They're the oldest airline that has been constantly operating independently (and under the same name too).
They're also one of the first airlines ever (there were earlier airlines, but none of them still exist as an independent entity if at all).
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:14 pm

And not only did they operate in the Caribbean during the war, but also in Europe. They flew London-Madrid mostly hauling newspapers but also some passengers (diplomats, bunsinessmen, military etc). The flight was known as the spy-line.
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:16 pm

Lufthansa owes its origins to "Deutsche Luft Hansa Aktiengesellschaft" (renamed "Lufthansa" in 1933), which is formed from a merger between "Deutsche Aero Lloyd" (DAL) and "Junkers Luftverkehr" on January 6 (1926). The new airline inherits its crane logo, designed by "Deutsche Luft-Reederei" in 1919, from DAL, the blue-and-yellow house colours from Junkers.

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http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html/ueber_uns/geschichte/chronik/index.html
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:23 pm

The first part of Scandinavian Airlines was formed back in 1918.

 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:37 pm

KLM started operation in 1919, so 84 years old.

Picture of first flight London-Amsterdam in 1920.


During WWII also flights UK-Portugal were flown by KLM.

And this is KLMs youngest aircraft, a few weeks old..

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:41 pm

More than 50 years?
Add AF, Lan Chile, Varig, Gulf air, and many more.
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:51 pm

When deciding how old an airline is I think it is incorrect to include "ancestor" airlines. Therefore, British Airways was founded, not in 1919, but in April 1974. BA's pregenitors were AT & T, Hillman Airways, Imperial Airways, the pre-WW2 Britiah Airways, BOAC, BEA, Cambrian Airways, BKS/Northeast Airways, BEA Scottish, BEA Channel Islands, BEA Helicopters - quite a list actually and I'm sure I've left out a few..

It is like saying I was born in 1890, the date of my grandmother's birth.

Aer Lingus was founded in 1936.

Most of the European national airlines were founded pre-WW2. Some, unfortunately, have "gone under" very recently eg. Swiss Air and SABENA.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 5:59 pm

To compliment the above post about Alaska Airlines, They just celebrated their 70th anniversary last year. They were started in 1932 with McGee Airways, flying between ANC and Bristol Bay. They merged with Star Airlines in '34. After a few more mergers and name changes they ended up with ALASKA AIRLINES, and that a history of AS in a nutshell!

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 6:06 pm

Korean Air which was originally called Korea Aviation started in 1926.
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 7:05 pm

What about Columbias Avianca? They are operational since 1919...
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 7:12 pm

bmi / BD is also over 50 years old when they started out as Derby Aviation back in 1949. Bt they were around before that too when they were formed as Air Schools Ltd by RAF pilots it 1938. that makes them 65 years old this year.

If what trident says, goes then bmi was formed in 2001 making the airline 2 years old


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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 7:22 pm

Air Canada is 65. Time to retire!
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 8:17 pm

Keesje

Good bit for KLM - the picture of the aircraft shown (De Havilland 9) G-EAL* is one of two aircraft (the other was G-EAQP) on contract work to KLM, flown by AT&T (parent of British Airways) as you say operating London to Amsterdam - in addition to it's normal GB work!

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 8:32 pm

Isnt Philippine Airlines Asia's oldest airline? More than 50+ for sure though!
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 8:59 pm

Thai Airways was formed 1951 (52 years)

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 9:05 pm

vianca, and Chalks Ocean are the oldest. Sadly Avianca is tetering.


Chalks was the earliest of the three and holds title to the worlds oldest continuously operating airline. Since 1919.

The operate to two of the oldest commercial airports. MPB and NSB.

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 9:19 pm

KLM was given its current name in 1919.

Here is the document.

http://corporate.klm.com/CorporateInformation/history/1920-1929/1919.asp

The KLM site says :

Our airline has operated continuously under the same name since 1919, the oldest scheduled airline in the world still operating under the same name.


saying others did not operated continuously under the same name and were not scheduled ?
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 9:32 pm

Hi folks,

Varig was founded in may 1927 so it's 76 years old.
CSA was founded in 1923, so it is 80 years old.
Finnair was founded in 1923, so it is 80 years old
Malev was founded in 1949 so it is 54 years old
TAP was founded in 1945 si it is 58 years old
Vasp was founded in 1934 so it is 69 years old

 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 10:35 pm

BWIA West Indies Airways.. is 60+ years old
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Mon May 26, 2003 10:42 pm

Garuda Indonesia is also more than 50 yrs old.

Garuda Indonesia's 1st flight was on 26 January 1949 under the name of Indonesian Airways, a charter airline based in Burma (now Myanmar) as an airline-in-exile, due to the independence war between the Indonesian and the Dutch.

The name "Garuda" was added on 31 March 1950, when Garuda Indonesian Airways was formed as a registered company in Jakarta.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 12:02 am

I read somewhere that Avianca of Colombia is the oldest airline, but not many people know this. Avianca also started in 1919. They started a few months earlier than KLM IIRC. Don't know if this is actually true. I just remember this from a book I read a long time ago. Anyway, I will miss their red and white livery. I remember seeing one of their B747's at Miami when I arrived there on a B727-200 of Eastern Airlines. It was parked next to a VIASA DC-10-30 and a ALM MD82. How much do I miss those years and the airlines that operated at that time.


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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 12:15 am

Long live Finnair - 80 years of beautiful flying!

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 12:18 am

SAA even celebrated 50 years of service from JNB to FRA last year. And since the Springbok route is much older than that they can claim that they offer trans-continental service for more than 50 years.

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 12:48 am

How about Malaysia Airlines?
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 1:27 am

BDR Rule - you obviously misunderstood me. BMI is just a refinement of a name, as was BM, BMA, British Midland and the original Derby Airways. That airline has existed more or less unmolested (apart from the name changes) since it was first founded. British Airways, on the other hand, became a separate legal entity in 1974. It did not exist before that date.

The analogy of individuals and businesses is very relevant. I was born in 1958 and was christened Eric McLoughlin. That is a fact and, even if I changed my name by deed pole, I would still be that same person. An airline changing its name or identity is just like a person changing their own name. However, when companies merge or just go plain broke, then those original companies legally cease to exist i.e. the equivalent of a person dying. BEA. BOAC, Northeast, Cambrian etc all legally ceased to exist the day BA began operations.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 1:32 am

Separate legal entity? So a name change doesn't matter, but you'd like to draw the line where there is a change to corporate structure or ownership, even if there is continuity of staff, aircraft, and routes? Seems somewhat arbitrary.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 2:58 am

Legally, in the UK at least, a name change does not matter. I am a professional accountant and I have performed many "name change" exercises on behalf of client compamies. The original company remnains in existence, with its original Companies House number. When a company is formally liquidated or wound up, then it really has died. Its old number at Companies House is removed. That is what happened when BEA and BOAC etc ceased in early '74,

I wou'ld also argue that the new Swiss is an entirely different entity to the old defunct Swissair, even though it has inherited many of the latter's routes, aircraft and personnel.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 3:15 am

How about QANTAS? Australia's airline was founded in the outback in 1920, making it nearly as old as KLM and Avianca.

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 3:35 am

Aeroflot surely must be over a half century old!
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 4:02 am

Lithuanian Airlines is 65 years old, although their existance was interrupted by Soviet occupation.

Lithuanian Air Lines (Lietuvos Oro Linijos) was estabilished in 1938 and at start used two Percival Q-6 planes. It maintained flights Kaunas-Riga and Kaunas-Palanga at start. Now Lithuanian Airlines (Lietuvos Avialinijos) has seven planes (two Boeing 737-500, two Boeing 737-200 and three SAAB-2000) and thus is the biggest carrier in Baltic States. It's subsidary Air Lithuania has two more planes (both ATR-42). Both airlines opperates flights from three Lithuanian airports (Vilnius, Kaunas and Palanga) to major European capitals and commercial centers in the following states: Germany, France, United Kingdom, The Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Russia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Estonia. Flights formerly opperated to Belarus, Turkey, Italy, Spain, United Arab Emirates, Cyprus (Greek), Austria, Latvia, Hungary also.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 4:39 am



Aeroflot celebrates its 80ieth birthday this year: founded in 1923 and named Aeroflot in 1930 it has always been the national carrier of the USSR and now of Russia. Big thumbs up

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 6:59 am

Avianca is not from 1919. It was formed by the merger of Pan American's SCADTA (formed 1919) and Servicio Aéreo Colombiano in 1933.
 
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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 7:12 am

KLM hands down since it was created in 1919 and still flies w/ its original name..

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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 7:24 am

Philippine Airlines: 62 years old. Big grin


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RE: 50+ Year Old Airlines

Tue May 27, 2003 8:21 pm

Aer Lingus formed April 1936,
Dobrolet the forerunner of Aeroflot, 1923
Aerolineas Argentinas December 7th 1950
Aeronaves de Mexico, now Aero Mexico, 1934
Air Algerie 1946
Air Canada 1937 as TCA
Air France August 30 1933, although can trace it's history to 1909!
Air India, October 15 1932
Air Portugal 1944
Air New Zealand as TEAL 1939
Alaska Airlines 1932
Avianca 1940 but it's ancestors date back to 1919
British Midland 1938
CSA 1923
Cyprus Airways 1947
Delta Airlines 1934
Egypt Air 1932 as Misr Airwork
ElAl 1948
Ethiopian Airlines 1946
Finnair 1924
Gulf Air 1950
Hawaiian Air 1929
Iberia December 14 1927
Icelandair 1937
KLM October 7th 1919
Korean Air 1948
Lan Chile 1929
LOT 1929
Malev 1946
Mexicana 1921
MEA 1945
Northwest October 1 1926
Phillippine Airlines February 14 1946
Qantas November 16 1920
Royal Air Maroc 1953
Saudia 1947
South African 1929
Turkish Airlines 1933
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