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Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 2:31 am

Article from this week’s Flight International:

- 23 A380-800 (hence increasing the total to 45)
- 10 A340-600HGW
- 26 B777-300ER.

***quote***

PAUL LEWIS / WASHINGTON DC

Carrier set to announce massive order at air show for mix of Airbus A380s, A340-600s and Boeing 777-300ERs

Emirates plans to announce a massive new order at the Paris air show in June for up to 69 additional long-range widebodies including Airbus A380-800s, high gross weight (HGW) A340-600s and Boeing 777-300ERs.

The purchases will form part of a plan designed to triple the size of the Dubai-based carrier over the next 10 years.

The announcement at the air show of a new Emirates order has been expected for several months, but the size and scope of the deal will surprise many. The new deal will comprise: 23 A380s, increasing its total order for the ultra-large aircraft to 45; 10 A340-600s, plus a similar number of options, marking a launch order for the HGW version; and 26 Boeing 777-300ERs. All will be used to provide incremental growth rather than replace existing capacity.

Emirates is already the single largest A380 customer, having increased its commitment from seven to 22 aircraft, including two freighters, in late 2001. With this latest deal the carrier will account for more than one third of the total order backlog for the 555-seat airliner. The decision to order both the 777-300ER and rival A340-600 is a surprise, but reflects the heavily discounted competing deals put on Emirates' table by Boeing and Airbus, as well leasing companies General Electric Capital Aviation Services and International Lease Finance, both of which are expected to share in the deal.

"We are working towards a 16 June announcement," Emirates confirms. "We placed a large order at the Dubai air show 2001 and it's likely that this order will be increased at Paris."

The airline had announced in 2001 a letter of intent for 25 more 777s, but at the time did not specify a version. It already operates nine standard 777-200s and 12 stretched -300 versions. Plans to phase out the former have been dropped.

The A340-600 HGW will have a maximum take-off weight of 376,000kg (828,200lb). Emirates already has six longer-range but smaller A340-500s on order to open nonstop routes from Dubai to Sydney and New York, but manufacturer delays have pushed back initial deliveries until September.

While the four-engined A340-600 and the 777-300ER twin come with only one choice of powerplant - the Rolls-Royce Trent 500 and General Electric GE90-115B respectively - the airline intends an engine competition for the A380s. The GE/Pratt & Whitney Engine Alliance GP7200 was selected last year to power Emirates' first batch of 22 aircraft.
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Rather good news, to say the least.

Jeremiah


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Wed May 28, 2003 2:33 am

Soon there will be only two airlines left in the world: Emirates and SouthWest.
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Wed May 28, 2003 2:38 am

It's amazing what you can accomplish when logic and finance do not constrain your imagination.
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 2:39 am

Jaysit:

You are being optimistic.  Yeah sure How do you know if Emirates won't one day become Swissair of the Middle East?
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 2:42 am

Very good order for Airbus and Boeing. I continue to wonder where EK will make all of these huge planes fly to. 45 A388s that is quite a lot not to say the least! Its nice to see that the airline has helped Dubai become worldwide known and visited.

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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 2:44 am

I will be laughing on the day they go bankrupt, which they will if they carry on like this.

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Wed May 28, 2003 2:44 am

Absolutely unbelievable. I read that one or two mega-orders ago that one of their fleet purchases exceeded the GDP of Dubai. This has got to be another one of those orders. I would have thought the lessons of SARS would have made an impression on them.

These guys cannot go out of business. The government will not let happen.
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 2:56 am

Yeah, it is literally impossible for them to go bankrupt.

Out of business, perhaps... they could just be summarily ended. But they are an extension of the government, not a business.

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Wed May 28, 2003 3:00 am

Incredible! Absolutely amazing!

My next question is... how/if Qatar and Saudia are going to react to this?!
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:01 am

I also wonder where in the heck that they can fly that many widebody aircraft particularly A380. There exposure to a traffic downturn is immense. I have said it before and I say it again: given this airline's voracious appetite for widebody airplanes, it is bizarre that they do not operate a single passenger 744 airplane.
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:04 am


Does Emirates know something the rest of us don't? Likely now is a good time to buy new planes since prices are bound to be low, but this kind of fleet enlargement plans mean they have to be very confident of future traffic.

The article didn't mention what kind of delivery schedule they mean to maintain, perhaps this is a very long-term project for them and they're just taking advantage of a good buying opportunity.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B

Wed May 28, 2003 3:04 am

They also insist on modern airplanes... which, as much as we love her, the 744 is not.

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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 3:05 am

In my opinion it is a perfect example of anticyclic investment. At the moment prices for "hardware" are quite low.

A do not know the annual production rate of the A380, but mid-term they could be the only ones offering a capacity for large scale inter hub traffic. Another idea could be that they will be a major player in the leasing business.

Of course, everything assuming air travel will develop as projected in the next 6-15 years.
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:11 am

Another idea could be that they will be a major player in the leasing business.

That'd be my best guess.

Perhaps EK is gathering these such aircraft while the market is low... while planning to lease them to airlines still "unsure" as to the A388's potential/performance. Cathay, Japan, All Nippon, and Korean all come to mind.
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:13 am

Also interesting to note is that they wont be replacing their 772/773As... as was previously expected.
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 3:15 am

On the other hand, they are very popular. If allowed, they would fly 200 weekly flights from India alone. A few weeks ago, people were doing cartwheels in Mumbai just to get on one of their flights.

I mean who would have guessed a few years ago that this little upstart could operate 6 daily widebodies out of London alone.
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 3:17 am

This is an anticyclic investment in the aircraft market. True. However demand for airplanes is derived from the demand for air travel ultimately. As everyone knows, the market for air travel is unforgiving and very cyclical. A future downturn in air travel will result in parked airplanes somewhere. Whether they lease them or operate them, the risk exposure still exists.

I don't doubt that EK's managers are capable individuals however I think they are essentially unconstrained as -437B points out.
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:23 am

"The power of oil"

It must be great to run an airline when money is never an issue. I'm really wondering what they want to do with all the A380s. Obviously, they have quite ambitious plans. But who wonders...

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Wed May 28, 2003 3:33 am

Reading this profile of Maurice Flanagan, one stumbles across:

He became managing director two years later. "We were given $10m and told not to come back for more."

And Emirates has been standing on its own two feet ever since. "We are uniquely unprotected against competition," he said. "The government here believes in absolute free trade. We get no protection from the competition in our home market at all and that is unique."
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As for the size of aircraft, think not of capacity on routes in 2003 but of those post 2007. Our own MAN service saw 96% loads in their last financial year and they haven't upgraded the service until now but this article quotes him as saying, "The next step is likely to be putting a bigger aircraft on the route before we start thinking of adding a third flight.". I would imagine that sentiment would hold true for other services.

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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 3:39 am

They are a small Oil rich Country with way too much time and money on their hands, seriously.

Whats the population there? 500,000?

How about feeding some starving people, or fighting Aids in Africa.
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:41 am

Before you lot all start shouting about the "power of oil" (hey, if it works for the US and Iraq, it can't be that bad), take a look at the Emirates Group annual report 2002-03, availabile at http://www.ekgroup.com/ANREP2003/index.html.

Some very interesting reading:

Traffic increased by 31.6% to 5,145 million tonne-kilometres, 3 percentage
points higher than the capacity increase (28.5% to 7,350 million tonne-kilometres).
Aircraft departures increased by 16.8% to 45,452, while aircraft
utilisation remained one of the highest in the industry at 13 hours per day.
The increase in traffic came principally from:
• the introduction of new passenger services to Khartoum, Perth, Mauritius,
Osaka and Cochin
• the increase in frequencies to the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Qatar,
Syria and Iran
• increased capacity to existing destinations with larger aircraft, mainly
Sydney, Sanaa, Bahrain, Istanbul and Cairo
• increase in freighter operations (58% higher compared with the previous
year) with the introduction of new cargo services to Shanghai and Liege and
the operation of charters to various destinations.
Passenger seat factor improved by 2.3 percentage points to set a new record
at 76.6%. Passengers uplifted reached 8.5 million in 2002-03, representing an
increase of 25.7% over last year, despite a drop in seat factor during March on
account of the situation in Iraq.
Cargo carried in 2002-03 improved by 31.1% to 525,188 tonnes (2001-02:
400,569 tonnes), recording strong growth across the entire network.
Overall load factor improved by 1.7 percentage points to 70.0%, reflecting a
very strong performance considering the large increase in capacity.


So if EK can increase passenger uplift by 25.7% during the worst year ever for aviation whilst increasing their yield, who's to say that a) they can't make an un-supported profit and b) they won't need those A380s come 2010??
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:47 am

Like others have said, it must be nice when you run a business and don't have to worry about making a profit. I just see it very unlikely that they will need 45 A380's. Heck, few airlines in the world operate that many 747's. Only a few of the large 747 operators have ordered the A380 and in no where near the numbers that Emirates is planning. We'll see if Emirates succeeds or if it blows up in their financial faces.

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Wed May 28, 2003 3:48 am

Sounds like a bit of jealousy here! They're a good airline making money. The same cannot be said for a lot of the other "top" airlines of the world!

How about feeding some starving people, or fighting Aids in Africa.

Sorry, what? What does that have to do with anything? If anything the US should invest more seen as though proportionally less of GDP is spent on Africa and other third-world places.
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:50 am

I tend to agree with STT757. What above Earth are they planning on doing with these things? The population is actually 2.5 million, but still - that's less than most single major cities in the rest of the civilized world. I don't suppose I can think of any real reasons to object to their buying them, but at the same time, I can think of a lot better things to do with that kind of money. And of course, the question remains - what will they use them all for??
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 3:51 am

Increase traffic from what though, they are a small Oil Emirate.

Most of the traffic is oil workers from the US and Britain or cheap laborers from India or the Philipines.

How about CASMS or RASMS, what's their profit margin if they have one.

Many airline can fill planes above 78%, but not many can do that and be profitable without being Government owned.
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:00 am

"Whats the population there? 500,000?"

This is irrelevant. They have made Dubai into an East-West hub, much in the same SQ made Changi into one. Not everyone on their 6 daily 777s into London terminate or originate in Dubai - its much like SQ's London traffic, predominantly hub and spoke. And unlike say, United or Delta, Emirates will never have labor problems embattle their single hub operations.

That having been said, not all those A380 orders will materialize tomorrow. A letter of intent is just that - a letter of intent. They can always sell their order slots at a profit if and when the A380 proves to be profitable.
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 4:08 am

Most of you are only seeing the small picture - the order/carrier itself. But there is more.

The government does know when the oil stream will end and as they want to keep their life-style they need to find additional sources of income which need to be ready at the time when the oil is at its end. And they have found their niche: tourism and congresses/exhibitions.

You can say what you want but the weather in the Gulf is close to perfect in the eyes of Europeans and others: sun all day long, nice long beaches and warm water - and it is not too far away from Europe.

Now it takes quite a number of tourists to visit the Emirates every year to get the amount of money you need for your life-style. And to grab as much as possible the best thing you can do is to offer an integrated tourism chain: flight, hotel, trips, flight. Hotels are build at an enormous rate, promotion is done when ever possible, and Emirates is doing the flight business.

As all these tourists require service a growing number of expats in the Emirates is needed - and those wish to do some VFR from time to time, meaning additional business for EK.

The exhibition, fairs and congress business is self explaing.

Dubai is a hub par excellence, at least for the traffic relations Europe - South-East Asia, Australia, India and East Africa and vice versa (plus the other implied relations). We all know that the traffic grwoth will be back on track rather sooner than later as SARS has now been mostly fought and no larger war or other kind of crisis is on the horizon. New destinations are added at a rapid pace, increasing the attractivity of the Dubai-Hub and growing thus the feeder traffic.

To summarize: the Emirates are doing everything to build up a local travel base (based on incoming traffic) and trys to enhance the hub function as much as possible.

Please feel free to comment.

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Wed May 28, 2003 4:12 am

"And unlike say, United or Delta, Emirates will never have labor problems embattle their single hub operations."

And why is that, beacuse American companies have to pay American workers decent wages with medical insurance and fund Pensions etc and companies like Emirates can "import" dirt poor foreign workers from India and the Phillipines who can't Unionize or ask for better wages, medical/ dental benefits or Pension packages in fear of losing their work permit.

I want to see Emirates Airlines employees ask for Maternal leave rights or "Life Partner" benefits. Hah! That would be funny.


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Wed May 28, 2003 4:15 am

Well, if they can't use all of them, maybe they will lease some to others....
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:23 am

"Emirates can "import" dirt poor foreign workers from India and the Phillipines who can't Unionize or ask for better wages, medical/ dental benefits or Pension packages in fear of losing their work permit."

I suspect that Emirates employees get better wages, medical/dental benefits and other benefits. Their Indian cabin crew, for example, are very well paid, and flying for Emirates (or any of the Gulf-based carriers) is a coveted job. The real issue is that the cost of living in the States is considerably higher than it is in India, Asia, or Dubai for that matter and, therefore, US-based workers have to be paid more. The notion prevalent in the US, that all foreign workers are slaves working at sub-par wages is ludicrous nonsense drummed up by that wicked pairing of Buchanan conservatives and leftist labor humdrummers.
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:24 am

Ignore that 2nd link I posted...the right one is this.

From my 1st link:
Emirates avoid overstaffing, but does not pay its staff poorly.

"We pay decently for all our staff, we provide free furnished accommodation, school fees and all that sort of stuff - and there is no income tax on Dubai," Flanagan says.

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Wed May 28, 2003 4:30 am

What some of you did not mention is that Dubai (and UAE in general) will be running out of oil in the next 20 years or so. Its not the biggest exporter anyway.

Therefore the Dubai government set itself a goal to develop the tourist industry and improve trade, so that its income will not be oil only.
I've seen pictures of Abu Dhabi and Dubai, and its amazing what's being done there.

Therefore the development of the airlines goes together with the development of the country.

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Wed May 28, 2003 4:36 am

"The notion prevalent in the US, that all foreign workers are slaves working at sub-par wages is ludicrous nonsense drummed up by that wicked pairing of Buchanan conservatives and leftist labor humdrummers."

Who said anything about slavery, all I pointed out is they "import" workers from some of the poorest countries on Earth and pay them less than their European, North American, Japanese, Australian counter parts.

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Wed May 28, 2003 4:38 am

Flying_Tiger,

I think you made some very good points. However I think that strategy has limitations and big risks. All the points you made about Dubai could be made about Hong Kong or even Singapore. (except perhaps the beaches) A limited outbreak of SARS decimated SQ and CX destination and transit traffic. As far as I know it has not yet recovered at either carrier despite the containment of the disease. Another concern for Dubai is terrorist attack. A serious attack against Dubai would keep travelers at home or send them to other carriers. The way I see it, air travel is a form of discretionary consumption and is thus extremely sensitive to any of these kinds of events.

I think having a popular airline is an extremely poor hedge against declining oil revenue. Anyway, I hope Emirates prospers. I just think they are taking on a lot of risk.
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:39 am

The US Airline industry would be making money hand over fist if they could hire Mexican or Guatemalan cabin and ground crews, or have their reservation centers in India like the Tech industy does with their Customer service.

I had a problem with my Computer once, I called the Compaq help line and the call went to a center in Northern India.

The guy on the other end wanted to know "how's the weather in America, does it rain alot in the Winter"?
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:41 am

Almost all of Dubai runs on British, Subcontinental and SE Asian expat workers. What do you want them to do? Import surly, fat United prison matrons and pay them $ 100,000 to do what a comely lass from India based Jet Airways could do ten times better for less than half the wages?

Industrialized countries like Japan, the US, and the EC have higher labor costs. Erego, the disappearance of our manufacturing jobs among others.
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:41 am

Emirates is one of the fastest airlines growing out there, Dubai is also a fast growing city - tourism and oil have done amazing things for Dubai, it is probably one of the most wanted places to visit, Emirates is simply thinking of the future - Emirates will continue to grow and so will Dubai - so do not wish bankruptcy on this airline  Smile The dude that created Emirates Airlines is one lucky sod  Laugh out loud to have created such a successful airline in today's climate and during SARS! I can't wait to see all these new planes in service.
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Wed May 28, 2003 4:47 am

STT757 you're fighting a loosing battle here and you know it. The facts are that Emirates are one of the best companies to work for, period. Just take a look at PPRuNe and you'll see hundreds of European, Australian and American pilots desperate to work for a successful airline flying the most modern equipment to some of the world's greatest destinations. And the fact that you can live in Dubai, with its exemplary quality of living, year-round sunshine and tax free wages is the ultimate bonus.

Emirates are an airline founded on quality. They compete with the best in the world....BA, CX and SQ. They operate from a large, non-slot restricted airport. Their potential for expansion is virtually limitless. They are ideally positioning themselves to capture a large amount of longhaul transfer traffic from Europe to Asia and Australia. And they are making a profit into the bargain.
 
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Wed May 28, 2003 5:12 am

Im not talking pilots, they have to be cetified Professionals something hard to find on the Steets of Mumbai or Cebu Phillipines.

How about ramp rats, Flight Attendants, Customer Service etc.


"And the fact that you can live in Dubai, with its exemplary quality of living, year-round sunshine and tax free wages is the ultimate bonus".

You can live there only untill your Work visa runs out, try getting citizenship there.

"Their potential for expansion is virtually limitless"

No more so than the barrels of oil in the ground or the buying power of their 350,000 residents.

"They are ideally positioning themselves to capture a large amount of longhaul transfer traffic from Europe to Asia and Australia. And they are making a profit into the bargain."

That's a good point but I think the A340-500 and 777LRs will alter this somewhat, why connect when you can go nonstop.

Hey I think it's great that some wealthy Sheiks can blow their money on airplanes, but I have more respect for entranapeurs (spl?) who build successfull busineses rather than for folks who "win the lottery" and buy one.

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Wed May 28, 2003 5:35 am

A large driver behind Emirates is the desire to develop Dubai into something OTHER than an oilbearing nation... its an investment into the branding of the country as a free-trade zone of Singaporean proportions.

That means its not the "win the lottery" approach, but a wise investment and an engine of growth for the country... their oil reserves are among the oldest-tapped, and they will run out of them in the not too very distant future. They want to be prepared.

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Wed May 28, 2003 5:36 am

"cetified Professionals something hard to find on the Steets of Mumbai "

Yeah. Thats why half of Silicon valley is staffed by those "hard to find certified professionals from the streets of Mumbai." Somehow, when I compare the level of service provided by Jet Airways with that of any carrier anywhere (other than a few Asian carriers), I would say that Jet Air wins hands down. India hs fast become a massive skilled labor source, skilled labor that wants little to do with the Indian public sector.

"You can live there only untill your Work visa runs out, try getting citizenship there."

True. Your work visa runs out or you rock the boat too much, and good ol' Sheikh Makhtoum puts you on the next Emirates flight out of Dubai. For good.

"That's a good point but I think the A340-500 and 777LRs will alter this somewhat, why connect when you can go nonstop."

IF that were true, then Emirates wouldn't be hubbing hundreds of thousands of passengers through Dubai and on to Hong Kong, SE Asia and the Subcontinent. The truth is that Emirates has built a solid reputation for service and connectability (I personally find them highly overrated - the Virgin Atlantic of the Middle East).
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 5:44 am

Last time I checked the highly coveted world class Indian Institute of technology was not training pilots, the Former CEO of US Airways (I could not even begin to spell his name) was a Graduate of the Prestigous Indian Institute of Technology.

However he was probably the Worst Airline CEO U had ever seen, not one of IIT's best.
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 5:57 am

Does EK do all of their maintenance and training in-house or do they contract out? The acquisition of such a large and diverse fleet could make them a big MRO and training vendor. They should have significant economies of scale in both areas.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 6:17 am

Well I answered my own question:

http://www.emiratesengineering.com/

With all of that desert area, they could also have a facility that would rival Victorville and Marana when the next downturn comes along.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 6:25 am

"Last time I checked the highly coveted world class Indian Institute of technology was not training pilots, the Former CEO of US Airways (I could not even begin to spell his name) was a Graduate of the Prestigous Indian Institute of Technology."

They're not training pilots. But then, doesn't Emirates hire primarily British, Aussie and American pilots? The last time I flew Emirates and Gulf Air, the accents from the flight deck were primarily Australian or American.
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 6:27 am

There are several factors involved in these aircraft purchase, first is the explosion of growth Emirates is experiencing right now. Their LHR route is a gold nugget, multiple 777's a day to London go out packed, if they had the A380 now, it would sell out on the LON route daily. Most of their London pax are transit pax going through DXB onto the indian subcontinent and beyond into Asia/Australasia. They have managed to turn Dubai into a giant hub, on it's way to becoming a mega hub - Heathrow-style. Tourism is booming in Dubai too, it' literally the Miami of the middle east.

Another issue is slot restrictions at major airports, LHR is a prime example, EK have been wanting more slots at LHR for the last few years, but haven't got them.
Last but not least, Emirates predicts it's passenger numbers will treble in the next 10 years, this is probably long term planning, and as it's been mentioned, chapter 11 doesn't exist in the Emirates dictionary.
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Emirates

Wed May 28, 2003 6:27 am

So when are they going to fly to DTW? They have quite a market with the largest arab population outside the Mideast in Detroit.
 
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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 6:38 am

That's really strange I agree 100% with { dynkrisolo } may be one day become Swissair of the Middle East?
Emirates are in need for narrow body jets more than wide body they can't fly sveral of regions because of that , they have a sutable number of wide bodies I think they won't need more especially after the arrival of new Airbus 340-500 .

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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B

Wed May 28, 2003 9:03 am

I don't know why we'd think they won't need any after the 345s arrive, yet they're ordering a whole bunch.

Emirates is a wildly successful airline. They know what they're doing.

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RE: Emirates To Order 69 Widebodies:A380, A346 & B777

Wed May 28, 2003 9:16 am

Looks like Chelsea F.C. have a great sponsor.
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