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AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 4:30 am

What's going here?

I thought AA only had a seasonal ORD-FCO... but there are two a/c here.


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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 4:34 am

Probably CRAF flying.

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 4:37 am

Hmm... never thought of Rome as a stopover.

But that makes sense. Thanks.
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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 4:59 am

AA started a new seasonal JFK-FCO nonstop on May 1. Since the photo is dated May 2, this means it's the inaugural JFK-FCO you see in the picture...
 
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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 11:04 am

I don't understand why AA started a seasonal JFK-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO route. Demand for North Atlantic routes remains somewhat under pressure, given the weak USD, fears of terrorism, and the sluggish US and global economy. Furthermore, AA has competition from DL/AZ from JFK, and from EWR CO and AZ. American is using a dormant TWA route authority but how successful will it be? Rome is primarily a tourist market, not a business one.

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 11:51 am

Didn´t know that was AA inauguaral flight, but in the time I was there I remember a week before (the day I tried going for spoting.../spotters!, FCO it´s a tough airport! Polizzia, even worst than here down in Mexico!) I remember I saw two AA flights departing near mid-day.. one with a B763 and the other one with B772.

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 12:41 pm

Ghost77:

FCO was a site of a major terrorist attack in the 80's (I think). The Pan Am counter (and EL Al, if I remember correctly) were bombed. American carriers along with El Al have, for years, had their own check-in area which you needed a ticket to access. I haven't been there since AZ joined Skyteam, but before that American planes were always parked away from the terminal (except for TWA) or at the satellite terminal. I remember flying in on DL in 1995. We parked at a remote stand, and there was an army tank sitting next to the plane the whole time.

Since the new remote concourse opened, I have not seen the tank. However, it is still away from the main terminal. In 1999, Delta passenger still checked in behind a security check-in. (Delta's presence in Rome was the old Pan Am presence)

In any case, it isn't shocking that it is hard for spotters to see anything. I've never been at FCO for any reason other than going in or out of Italy, but I certainly didn't see any plane until I got through security.
 
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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Thu May 29, 2003 1:15 pm

That terrorism information about the remote terminal is interesting. I'm going to be flying into FCO on a July 6 flight, arriving on the 7th on DL from ATL with my mom and my brother. I will have to watch for that.

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Fri May 30, 2003 5:49 am

Jrlander,

Wow, I´m impressed for this info, I didn´t knew before that FCO suffered a terrorist attack.

I´ve been to FCO 3 times, first was in 2001 before 9/11 that time i flew with DL from ATL to FCO... we arrived to new Intl. terminal (which is mainly used by US carriers) but I didn´t saw any army tank with us. On my way back to ATL, I also didn´t notice about anything strange.

In 2002 I flew with DL JFK-FCO... again nothing to be surprised about. And now in 2003, my last time I flew with LH... so everything was 'normal'.

Thank you very much for the info!
At least now I can understand Italy police... but can someone give a good reason why Mexican authorites have the same policy??????

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Fri May 30, 2003 10:54 am

The attack on Fiumicino Airport occured while a simultaneous attack unfolded at the Vienna Airport. Rome was also the destination of TWA flight 847, which was operating CAI-ATH-FCO and was commandered shortly after takeoff from ATH Hellinikon in June 1985. It was a 727-200 and was diverted to Beirut, then to Algiers, and finally back to Beirut. The same TWA flight, operating a FCO-ATH flight a year later was bombed (it was placed under the seat) which blew a hole in the plane and killed a woman.

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Fri May 30, 2003 2:51 pm

The same TWA flight, operating a FCO-ATH flight a year later was bombed ..."

It was TWA 840 (N54340) in 1986 that suffered the explosion. Four passengers died. In the 1985 TWA 847 (N64339) 17-day ordeal, one passenger, a Navy seaman, was murdered.

N54340 and N64339:


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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Sat May 31, 2003 10:18 am

How old is the Rome International concourse I was there in 2001 and it looked very new so I cant imagine it could of been more than 10 years old if that. Another thing I remember in the 80's that there was some kind of machine gunning of innocent passengers at a European airport for some reason Rome comes to mind does anyone have the details of this incident.
 
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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Sat May 31, 2003 11:09 am

On December 27, 1985, at Rome, 13 people (5 American) were killed by the El Al, TWA, and Pan Am check-in counters in a terrorist (Abu Nidal) attack; 74 were wounded. An attack was also carried out the same day, by the same terrorist group, at the Vienna airport.

On December 17, 1973 a Pan Am Boeing 707-321B (N407PA) was destroyed at Rome while at the gate when terrorists threw grenades into the cabin and fired weapons as the aircraft was being boarded. PA110, destination Beirut, caught fire and was destroyed. Thirty were killed and many injured. The terrorists ended up hijacking a Lufthansa 737.

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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Sat May 31, 2003 11:34 am

"given the weak USD"



This tends to lead to more tourism to the US. If you know anyhting about how the dollar works, when the dollar is weaker it means for tourism from outside countries which have their currency worth more (IE, Euro, Pound), also means more companies outside the US buying US products!

When the dollar weakens, its not always a bad thing.


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RE: AA's Rome Operations

Sat May 31, 2003 11:55 am

given the weak USD

This tends to lead to more tourism to the US. If you know anyhting about how the dollar works, when the dollar is weaker it means for tourism from outside countries which have their currency worth more (IE, Euro, Pound), also means more companies outside the US buying US products!
When the dollar weakens, its not always a bad thing.


All true. The one major risk of a weaker dollar is that foreign investors might decide to pull their money out of U.S. stocks and other assets. That could, at least in theory, lead to plummeting stock values and serious economic damage. As things stand, however, it's likely that the dollar would have to fall much farther than anyone thinks possible for there to be a major exodus from U.S. investments. America's great political and economic stability makes U.S. assets a reasonably safe investment even in the face of a falling dollar.
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