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Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 3:33 pm

I'm hearing television news reports just in stating - that two flight attendants have been stabbed onboard a Qantas domestic flight in Australia......sad to hear.
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 3:38 pm

Stabbed with what?

 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 3:40 pm

I just heard in NZ that it was 3 flight attendants. Melbourne to Tasmania turned back and landed safely and the flight attendants are now in hospital.

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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 3:41 pm

They didn't say what the weapon was.
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 3:45 pm

It was two flight attendants.

Stabbings on Qantas flight

29may03
FOUR people were stabbed aboard a Qantas flight from Melbourne to Launceston this afternoon, emergency services said.

Two flight attendants, a man aged in his late 30s and a woman aged in her 20s, were stabbed and had been taken to the Royal Melbourne Hospital, Metropolitan Ambulance spokesman James Howe.

An Australian Federal Police spokeswoman said one man was in custody being interviewed.

Qantas flight QF 1737 was enroute to Launceston when there was a melee on board, forcing the aircraft to immediately return to Melbourne's Tullamarine airport.

The aircraft took off shortly before 3pm, according to reports.

Qantas have provided no details other than confirming the incident took place Mr Howe said the flight attendants were both in a stable condition with facial lacerations.

Two passengers were also treated by paramedics at the scene for minor injuries.

A man has been arrested at Melbourne Airport over an alleged stabbing on a Qantas flight between Melbourne and Launceston.

More to come

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6512001%255E1702,00.html
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 4:30 pm

I tell ya if I was on that flight they wouldn't be arresting the guy. They'd be zipping up a bag....
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 4:52 pm

Was it an attempted hijacking? What else would precipitate a stabbing?
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 4:56 pm

Apparently it was a wooden knife of some sort.
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 5:10 pm

Guess that explains how he got past the metal detector then.
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 5:24 pm

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I would guess a simple case of air rage is more likely - the world isn't made of hijackers and not every case of violence has something to do with international terrorism. Let's wait until the news is reported in full before blaming hijackers or air-ragers, shall we?
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 5:35 pm

Summary of John Anderson's interview - Transport minister

The man was very abusive after take off then made threats about crashing the aircraft, and tried to enter the cockpit. 2 Crew members intervened and were stabbed in the face with a wooden weapon. The crew are in a stable condition in hospital, 2 passengers were treated at the airport for minor lacerations after assisting the crew. The flight was a Melbourne to Launceston 717 flight.
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 6:13 pm

Just heard,
The gent involved is not considered to be of sound mind, however it was not a highjack attempt as such although he did bring two sharpened wooden stakes on board and therefore it looks premeditated. He did argue about crashing the plane a Qantas link 717 however the crew put their training into operation and quickly did what needed doing, at no time was the aircraft in danger Qantas said.
All Qantas international aircraft have the cockpit door locks however the implementation on the domestic fleet is not yet complete.
This aircraft didn't have the locks but the quick intervention by the cabin crew prevented the offender from entering the cockpit in any case.
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 8:19 pm

Qantas has a locked door policy on all its jet aircraft. The cockpit door on this flight was locked but it wasnt one of the aircraft with the new strengthened doors which are being fitted at the moment.
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 9:24 pm

Well, The 717 experiences her first "big show". I believe that this would be QANTASLINK then.
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Thu May 29, 2003 11:36 pm

It was inevitible. Whether a Kevlar knife or wood or whatever other material, you can get a weapon through security. They cannot strip-search every passenger.

The bright side is that the ultimate post 9/11 security system worked perfectly--the passengers and crew will not let someone into the cockpit.TC
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Fri May 30, 2003 8:00 pm

Well it goes without saying that, thankfully he did not make it into the cockpit thanks to brave crew and pax once again. It's quite scary, not to mention quite close to home and my parents had flown that route on Qantaslink 717 back in January. I am also thinking of that incident over Africa a few years ago [before 9/11] when a 747 came near to crashing because of a lunatic onboard.  Sad

Anyway, here is an updated story on the QF incident.

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http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6516098%255E2,00.html


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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Fri May 30, 2003 8:14 pm

Too bad the other passengers can't carry their pocketknives to defend themselves with.

Any fool can make a shank out of wood or plastic. Just takes some time with a file.
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Fri May 30, 2003 8:29 pm

I read in the paper this morning that they were stabbed with chopsticks...

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Fri May 30, 2003 8:29 pm

 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Fri May 30, 2003 8:45 pm

No, not chopsticks!

Stewards recount mid-air ordeal
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/30/1054177716391.html

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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Fri May 30, 2003 11:15 pm

Thanks for the link Vapour. Here's a bit of another article I found on that same website:

The heroic actions of a flight attendant and passengers aboard a Qantas flight yesterday averted the deaths of 53 people after an armed man tried to take control of the plane and crash it during a dramatic hijacking attempt over Melbourne.

Two flight attendants were stabbed and another two passengers injured as they struggled to restrain the man, who had attempted to enter the cockpit armed with two wooden stakes, an aerosol can and a lighter.


That sure sounds like an attempted hijacking to me.
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Sat May 31, 2003 5:41 am

In all levity, why would you want to hijack a plane going to Tasmania anyway? The plane does not carry enough fuel to go anywhere decent, there is nothing in Tasmania worth crashing on, so what is the point? Big grin

In all seriousness, this incident does highlight the stupidity of some governments banning metal cutlery on board. There are plenty of ways of getting a potentially dangerous implement on board an aircraft, let alone enough materials on board the aircraft already (wine bottles, easily smashed to form a sharp surface) that banning metal cutlery does nothing more than make life difficult for the passenger.

This incident highlights the fact that security "improvements" post 11/9 are an absolute joke, and do nothing to improve the overall security of air travel, rather all they achieve is to cause a major inconvenience to regular travellers.

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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:00 pm

Well... You all seem to be making a joke of this....

The incident shook up quite a few people. The Purser lost over a litre of blood and I am sure the mental scares of the crew and pax will take quite a bit of time to heal.

The two pilots are already back at work. The Purser also wants to come back when as soon as the company will let him. The female FA that got stabbed had some surgery and cosmetic surgery done. I am not sure about the other two FAs but I do know they aren't back at work yet.

All proceedures were followed to the letter.

They used nylon ties around his feet and hands and stuffed him under two seats. Two pax kept their feet on him the whole time.

The crew need to be congratulated for their professionalism and the pax for their assistance. If all FAs were at the back at the time of the incident who knows what would have happened. I think this incident may have panned out ALOT worse if it weren't for these people and their bravery.

The man wanted to crash the plane into Melbourne it is alleged. Who cares how much fuel it had...a 717 crashing into a city would still make a bit of damage!!!

Once again I must congratulate my colleagues and their pax for the courageness and bravery shown.

As with all incidents alot of good will come from this like change proceedures etc.

Many of you have bagged out the security.... How would you stop someone getting two small sharp wooden objects through security short of a full body cavity search?! Also there are many ways to make weapons and equipment in the cabin that could be used as weapons anyway. What I am trying to say is that security can only go so far. After that it is up to trained professionals like cabin crew (and of course the pax that helped!!!) to be the last line of defence.
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:23 am

I agree fully with Miami1 here:

I think this shows how security measures are working. This guy didn't make it on the plane with a lethal weapon. He didn't make it to the cockpit and he was thwarted completely by the pax and crew, who have extra training now (nylon retraints etc.)

Before 9/11, this guy might have been carrying a lethal knife (not chopsticks) and the cockpit door might have been open. He also would not have had a lot of pax interference as beforehand, confrontation was not used with Hijackers.
 
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RE: Two Flight Attendants Stabbed Onboard Qantas

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:45 pm

You both still miss the point that wha happened in this incident *could* have happened prior to 11/9, and the increased security measures since 11/9 have done NOTHING to prevent an incident of this nature.

I am all for increased security, locked flight doors, reinforced flight deck doors, etc, I am all for it, should have happened a long time ago.

No metal cutlery, this is just stupid, there are still wine bottles on board, and a smashed wine botle can do far more damage than a metal knife ever will.

Non-passengers past security on DOM sectors? The only reason I can see for this is that it allows screening staff to pay more attention, since they have less people that they have to screen.

Overall though, it does little to nothing to increase security, since these same screening saff are mostly dozing off anyway, or if employed by the TSA, are carrying out Hitler routines anyway.

The situation post-11/9 is an absolute joke, and should not be the way it is now. I concede that it needed to be upgraded, but they have gone the wrong way about it.

Dave