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USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 3:19 pm

According to the Mojave newsgroup, USAirways 737-300 N534AU (built 1989, still in old USAir colors)


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are scheduled to be (or may have been by now) ferried to Greenwood to be broken up for parts. These are perfectly good, undamaged aircraft, but probably due for a major maintenance.

Evidently the used aircraft market is so depressed that the planes have more value as parts than as a whole. These planes are not even 15 years old and are already headed for the scrap heap! Truly a sad time in the history of aviation.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 4:39 pm

If I remember correctly, these will be some of the first broken up 737 classics ever. The only other occasion(s) I can think of are at least one Ansett aircraft being scrapped.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 4:48 pm

If I remember correctly, these will be some of the first broken up 737 classics ever.
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Do you include just the -300, -400, and -500 as classics, or do you include the -200 as well? I would be surprised if there were not a significant number of -200s broken up but I've been surprised before...
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken

Fri May 30, 2003 5:34 pm

Certainly a major part of the 737-200s and -100s has already been scrapped. Apart from Air Canada there is no major carrier operating these noisy oldies anymore. At least none I´m aware of.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 5:46 pm

Well now, Ryanair still have a score or so of Boeing 737-200s still flying very successfully, thank you very much! Certainly, it is likely that Ryanair may be considered to be a major carrier in anyone's eyes?
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 6:05 pm

America West, Alaska Airlines, and Delta are just a few to name that still fly the 737-200.


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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken

Fri May 30, 2003 8:46 pm

Don't forget Southwest...
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken

Fri May 30, 2003 9:24 pm

Re the 737-200s of AC I meant major international airlines, not locally operating airlines like Southwest or low-cost carriers like Ryanair. I thought that Delta is phasing out the 732s.
Name a first tier operator other than Delta that still has the 732 and you´ll see me surprised.

Shame about these quite young two ex US-737s to be scrapped. Do they have a bad individual history or what? Flying lemons, incidents?
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 9:24 pm

Also, several US carriers operated them until recently:

-US Airways used them for their MetroJet division after they left mainline.
-UA had them until after 9/11.
-CO had them until 1999, I think.
-Vanguard, while not major, had them until they went under.
-AirTran had them until last year.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned a new 737-200 operator yet...Hooters Air!

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 9:49 pm

There is a cargo carrier at YIP that flies a couple cargo 737-200s also.

How many 100s are still flying?
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 10:12 pm

Frontier still has a couple of them in service as well.
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 10:51 pm

Don't you love it when thread goes in a completely different direction?
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 10:59 pm

Na stated "I meant major international airlines, not locally operating airlines like Southwest." Last time I looked at the numbers, Southwest was bigger than most "major international airlines" in terms of revenue, aircraft, passengers and market cap. Sort of like the old days with United was the biggest airline in the western world with its only "international" flights being to Toronto.

 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Fri May 30, 2003 11:16 pm

As Luz2fly said, Frontier still has two 732s. That'll change this summer when they are replaced by A318s.

Though not as major as some might consider a major. . .Aloha is still flying the 732 at least through next year if not longer.

In terms of the 733 and 734 being broken up, that is pretty quick. I remember when the 733 was brand spankin' new and Western Airlines showed it off in their new silver body c/s.

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken

Fri May 30, 2003 11:35 pm

Actually, IIRC, Ansett had a -300 that was in the middle of a D check when they went under, and that plane was scrapped rather than re-assembled.

But it is sad to see the fan-classic 737's getting broken up.

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 1:02 am

Yeah, Ansett was first with the fan-classic 737. They also broke up some BAe-146s from the 80s. Northwest scrapped their MD80s, and some USAir MD80s are on their way to the torch. Wasn't there an America West A320 that was scrapped for parts after a very minor problem?

I wonder when other types of 80s production airliners will start to go. Boeing 757 and 767 are probably next to be broken up. Rumor has it (only a rumor!)that the long-stored Ansett 767s are headed that way.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 1:32 am

America West has 737-200s
Don't they??
-Transaero Boeing 737-200
UN Doesn't have them anymore in service, they are replaced by 300s.
What now?
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 2:02 am

Some of the EX. TWA 767-200ER's at VCV are headed for the scrappers torch as well. An aircraft built in 88 or 89 is still fairly new I dont see why they are being scrapped.
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken

Sat May 31, 2003 4:11 am

Delta and Southwest still operate the 737-200 (and by the way, Southwest is LARGER than Air Canada, even if they don't cross international boundaries in scheduled service). And America West, Alaska, and Frontier, which all operate the 737-200, offer international service. I'd add that two of the largest South American airlines, VARIG and Aerolineas Argentinas, also still have 737-200's.

It actually makes sense that some of US Airways' MD-80's were scrapped -- they had some of the first ones off the assembly line as PSA had been the first airline to order the MD-80. Virtually all of US's MD-80's were over 20 years old at the time they were retired.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 4:51 am

While sad to see any bird scrapped, from the point of view of the majors you have to love this. Reducing the number of of used aircraft in the desert will raise the values on used aircraft and help to keep down the number new startup carriers getting planes on the cheap. The lessors probably like it longer term as well, as the write off for the break up (less the value of the sold parts), raises the value of planes on the market. I would expect more of this to happen as more and more airlines are going to lessors to renegotiate rates.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 5:31 am

You'de think some second & third tier operaters would love a -300 or -400 to replace their gas guzzling -200's if the price was right. Cayman Airways comes to mind as well as Bahamasair.
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 7:09 am

Re the America Weat A-320 that was scrapped recently- The aircraft suffered a nosegear collapse upon landing, and there was some damage done to the structure of the forward fuselage when it impacted the runway, not to mention when it went sliding along.

Does anyone know the number of cycles and hours on these birds?

Also, how bout the fleet leaders in cycles and hours for 757s as well (about same vintage as 733/4/5s)

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sat May 31, 2003 9:50 am

Those ex-Eastern 757-200's of US are getting pretty old...probably the cycles and hours leader for their type...including the oldest 757 in passenger service...they seem to be in ok shape...I wonder what US's plan is for them...

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sun Jun 01, 2003 8:29 am

Aloha Airlines still uses the 737-200ADV (Advanced) and 737-200QC (Quick Change) models.
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:15 am

Scrapping 15-20 year old airframes isn't entirely new. A number of 1958-61 vintage 707s and DC-8s got the beer can treatment in the mid to late '70s.

The DC-8-20s and -30s were great candidates for JT3D and freighter conversions, but with a glut of newer DC-8s available as the majors were replacing them with widebodies, their fates were sealed.

As for the EA 757s, they still have quite a bit of life in them. I checked the FAA SDR database for the 757-225s and found them hovering around the 58-60,000 hour/22-25,000 cycle mark. This is info from America West's -225s as USAir doesn't list hour/cycle data on their SDRs. (in violation of FAA regs)
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:35 am

"America West has 737-200s
Don't they??"

HP sure does have some -200's in the fleet, only around 12 or 13 though and they are only going to be around for a few more years.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:02 pm

Scrapping 15-20 year old airframes isn't entirely new. A number of 1958-61 vintage 707s and DC-8s got the beer can treatment in the mid to late '70s.


1958 build 1649 Lockheed Constellations were scrapped as early as 1965-6. These high-tech props became virtually obsolete overnight .........
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:29 am

In regards to the post concerning the -100 model, the last -100 to fly in the United States was operated by America West. It was also the Phoenix Sun's transport aircraft. Here are some pictures...


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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:38 am

Are any airlines taking up the opportunity to buy 737 classics to replace their non stage III, now that prices are so low ?

Many noisy 737-200, DC9´s etc .. Not to speak about the older russian aircraft flying around in the world.

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:59 am

That's very sad to hear - those planes are not very old at all! Also posted recently was the sad tale of the 2 ex-Canada 3000/Royal A310s ferried here to the UK for scrapping. As I felt when the ex-Ansett 737-300 VH-CZD was broken last year (indeed proving that a D-check during a bankrupcy can prove fatal), the destruction of that plane has unleashed a wave of similar scrappings because once there is a precedent, the value of other similar examples would fall further. So, several other 733s may go the same way - especially older ones (since that type first appeared in 1984). That a 400 should also die is even sadder - none has been broken thus far.

As for the comparison with the destruction of planes of 5-6 years of age back in the 1960s, that must be taken with a pinch of salt as the advances in aviation at that time were far greater far faster than now - 737-300/400/500 have virtually the same technology as 747-400 which is still in production! Remember too that the Classic 737s with fans were built up to as late as 1999.

Truly mournful.

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:35 am

Aviacsa (6A) has been buying ex MetroJet B737-200's from US Airways. They have more than 10 examples in their fleet. I will think that the B732's bought from US Airways already have the D check, but it will be more logical to buy the B737 classics for a good price instead of the old B732's and don't let the classics be scrapped.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:53 am

Only 2 B737-100s in the world....
AeroContinente OB-1745 (C/N 3) a B737-130.
And The Mexican Air Force TP-03 (C/N 217) a B737-112.

As Rojo mention .. Aviacsa got 16 B737-2s this far and I was told there are getting 6 more.

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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Mon Jun 02, 2003 4:20 pm

Not really less logical from their standpoint. 737-300s and 400s are worth a LOT just in parts because used parts for these are extremely rare (and most if not all parts from a -200 are different than a classic). A classic due for a D-check makes financial sense to break up because of this.

On the other hand, a dirt cheap -200 from the '80s with a recent D-check (like the Metrojets) makes sense for a third world airline where noise regs aren't a problem. Parts are cheap and plentiful (tons of broken up -200s), and fuel economy might not be an issue if they are a nation with plenty of it.

Does seem like backwards logic, but such are the mysteries of airline finance.
 
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RE: USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!

Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:11 am

AFAIK, there is actually 70% or so commonality between 737-300 and 737-200 - the engines and elements of the flightdeck being among the major differences. That said, IslandHopper's point still makes sense insofar as those 30% differences are concerned.

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