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Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:16 am

It's been a long time since we've heard anything about TMA. I think they were supposed to lease a DC-10 or MD-11 this year.

However I noticed that they have been chartering other airlines' DC-8s and flying them. What happened to their 707s? Are they still flying the A310-300F?

Chadi told me that the pilots are demanding a higher pay raise and as a result have not been flying for 5 months.

Anyone have anymore info about them and their future plans?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
salim
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:31 am

Their new site is not being updated, but i've heard they have important economical problems....
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:58 am

Yes you are right, the site hasn't been updated for a long time.

By economical problems are you talking about problems with the 707s?

Regards
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cedarjet
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:16 am

No problems with the 707s as such, just not making much money. They're kind of like the Pan Am of cargo, in days of olde they were the first cargo airline with a scheduled round-the-world service (starting and finishing at Beirut, of course), with stops in (can't remember exactly but) Basle, London, JFK, Anchorage, Tokyo...not sure about the routing between Tokyo and Beirut, except the last stop before home was probably Dubai. They also flew 747s, receiving them - like MEA with THEIR 747s - literally on the eve of war in 1975. The war doomed both MEA and TMA, MEA were a major airline in the early 70s and Beirut was every bit as busy as Dubai is now - hard to imagine a civil war in such a developed, quasi-first world nation, but BEY went from having hundreds of departures a day (all 707s and 747s, nice) to a skeleton operation by MEA, with the 747s being used to fly to Cyprus and tanker back fuel for the 707s. That's pretty much how things were til 1990 (brave attempt to bring back the 747s with a route to JFK 83-85 being typical of a lull in the fighting that proved to be a false dawn). Nowadays, although peace has returned to Lebanon, business conditions are still sluggish in the absence of a more comprehensive peace settlement for the whole region eg Jerusalem.

I hope TMA can hold on and grow back to their former glory (same goes for MEA).
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:30 am

Cedarjet,

True, however just about every airline that serves Beirut is increasing service later this year (permanent increases, not just for the summer). So that is a sign of Beirut coming back.

This new large office tower called the Beirut Trade Center (BTC) that is to be constructed soon is certainly a sign that Beirut is getting business back.


Also, office space in the new Beirut Central District (BCD) is one of the most expensive in the world and are selling out like hotcakes.

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None of these are TMA aircraft. They are all aircraft that they've been chartering to fly for them. I haven't seen a TMA aircraft photo uploaded on any site in quite a while now. It seems like for the past year they've been chartering other airlines.

It seems like TMA's entire fleet is grounded? I'm not even seeing photos of the new A310 anymore.

Pretty wierd if you ask me....

Regards
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OD720
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:40 am

As far as I know, they are hiring foreign pilots since there are problems with the local Lebanese ones.
Very little is known about their operations at the moment but as you say they are chartering a DC-8 for some of their operations.
I'm not sure what happened to their A310, that was subleased from Islandsflug.

I've heard that about a year ago they were planning to lease an A320 for passenger operations, that never happened either.
 
cedarjet
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 4:35 am

What's the problem with Lebanese pilots? I always thought they were world class. Plus I know plenty of Lebanese pilots in places like Australia, the Caribbean, Brazil who would do anything to get a job flying for a Lebanese company (all their parents are ex MEA staff who talk about the good old days in the 60s in ante bellum Lebanon).

Off topic, but is Lebanon safe for westerners? I have visited in 1994, 1995 and for a longer stay in 2001, but things in the region have obviously changed, and indeed in 2001 (pre 9/11, I left Beirut on "9/10" in fact) I did have one unpleasant incident with a Lebanese lady in Hamra St who wasn't pleased to see a westerner. It freaked me out so badly I spent the rest of the day indoors. I know most Lebanese aren't interested in returning to the dark days of the late 80s with the kidnapping and general anti-western thing, but is anti-western feeling on the increase? Are there tourists in the country the way there was in the late 90s? Or has it dropped off? Who is flying on these new airline services? Foreigners, or returning Lebanese?
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 5:28 am

Hi Cedarjet,

The problem is not with the skills of the Lebanese pilots, it's related to their job situation and the two parties are not being able to come to terms.

On the other hand, there are lots of westerners who work and live here and they go on with their daily lives like everyone else.
Tourism is good but the economy is not doing as well as BA describes it.

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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:44 am

I know tourism is doing OK but it's mostly Kuwaitis, Saudis and Iranians, right? Has there been any anti-western violence, vandalism, etc? I'd love to visit again, it's a great place.
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 8:08 am

CedarJet,

I spent 1 week in Beirut at the end of March. I saw many westerners, mainly French. But I also so British, German, and Italiens and their were a descent number of Americans (mainly around the AUB area).

The apartment we live in, their is a French family living in the same apartment building.

While I was there, nothing violent happened. Just lots of protests against Bush and Blair.

Regards
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:54 pm

I am worried about heading over to Lebanon too. Our familly might be going in July for a week or two. I know many who go there and they told me that Lebanese generally don't like people from the Gulf much and its worst now that our countries have supported the US in Iraq. I remember around 3 years ago a Qatar Airways office in Beirut was attacked by a car bomb because Qatar has open diplomatic relationships with Israel.
 
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 8:30 pm

QatarAirways, I am not sure of it, but I do believe they won't recognise that you are from Qatar unless you show a passport.

As for economy, according to world factbook Lebanese GNP per capita is 5200$. In comparement it is:
In Qatar: 21200$
In Israel: 19000$
In Palestine: 625$
In Syria: 3200$
In UAE: 21100$
In Yemen: 820$
In Jordan: 4300$
In Turkey: 7000$
In Egypt: 3700$
In Lybia: 7600$
In Morocco: 3700$
In Sudan: 1360$
In Saudi Arabia: 10600$

So, there are richer and poorer countries in the region, so Lebanon is doing quite good as a country with no oil and no state accross the ocean giving money for free.
 
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Sun Jun 01, 2003 8:48 pm

"QatarAirways, I am not sure of it, but I do believe they won't recognise that you are from Qatar unless you show a passport."

We will be easy to recognise from our dialect/accent, skin colour and clothing.
 
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:34 am

QatarAirways,

I really don't think you should be worried at all.

When I go to Beirut, it seems like there are more Gulf people than Lebanese!

So you certainly will not be alone!

Regards
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airmale
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:40 am

What happened to their pax charters with the A320?
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OD720
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RE: Any News From TMA Lebanon?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:14 am

QatarAirways,

It's interesting to know what exactly you're worried about???
Your post doesn't make any sense at all.

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