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DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:54 am

Since Delta's 767-400s are -400ER models, will they follow CO & start using them on Trans-Atlantic routes at some point, or will they be used exclusively on Domestic & Hawaii flights? Does DL have any plans to do this as of now?

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:55 am

The only 767-400 produced is the 767-400ER.

Atlanta is a little bit of a stretch for the -400ER to some of their transatlantic destinations. They have no plans to use them across the Atlantic.

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:57 am

its possible, but they'd have to be fitted with PTV's and redone in bizelite.

so except for the new ones which they can work with, probably not
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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:09 am

i hope they keep them domestic. If they start pulling them for Transatlantic we'll only see 763s here at MCO- we're already down to just one 772 and three 764s and no MD-11s
 
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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:30 am

Atlanta to Europe is not a stretch for the 767-400. Continental operates the 767-400 from EWR to HNL nonstop, which is a lot further than most routes from the East Coast to Europe. Continental flies 767-400's from EWR to many European destinations including Rome, Glasgow, Shannon, Dublin, Frankfurt.

Delta purchased the 767-400 to replace its L1011's and uses them on US domestic flights that are high capacity, high demand, such as ATL-MCO, ATL-LAX, and soon, ATL-HNL when it starts. Delta has standardized its Atlantic operations around the 767-300ER and flies its 777's to a number of European cities as well. I don't think we will initially see 764's going to Europe on Delta but if demand really picks up and global air travel rebounds sufficiently, then it is possible.

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:36 am

There's a large gap in between DL's B763 (190/195 seats) and their B777 (277 seats) and the B764 would fill it nicely.

I sat next to a DL pilot on a recent trip, and he told me DL was open to the possibility of using the B764 across the Atlantic (probably mostly ex-JFK since the aircraft's range could pose a problem ex-ATL), especially now that the extra capacity (compared to a domestic-configured B763) isn't really necessary. However, he also told me that the B762 fleet may be configured in BusinessElite and used for premium transcontinental flights (but would NOT fly across the Atlantic... I doubt these birds have the range, anyway). I doubt this would ever happen, so take his (or any other non-senior managerial employee) comments with doubts.

but they'd have to be fitted with PTV's
Only 8 of roughly 65+ (well, that number's smaller now that the MD-11s are being phased out) planes used for trans-Atlantic flights have PTVs. The B764 would need BizElite, but not PTVs in Economy. The good news is that the B764 are wired/PTV-ready whereas virtually none of the B763 are.
 
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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:59 am

That's what I was thinking- that the 764 could fill the gap between the 763 & 777.

If they decided to use them & range from ATL could be a problem, could they be used on flights out of CVG or (as IndustrialPate mentioned) JFK & keep 763s & 777s on ATL flights?

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:53 am

Does anyone know the range of these things? When ATL - HNL starts nonstop, what aircraaft are they planning to use? I thought that the 764 had the range to do that, but that the crew issues were the only things to warrant the stop in LAX. If it can fly ATL - HNL, then ATL to most of Europe should be a no brainer as far as range goes. Just curious about the range.

Any educated info is appreciated.

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:09 am

About 5,500 miles loaded give a or take a little, Transatalantic shouldnt be a prob. as Continental ahas been doing it for some time. ATL to HNL is actually further than ATL to Western Europe cities.
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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:13 am

That is what I thought, I just wanted to get my facts straight before refuting some of the earlier posts.
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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:15 am

767-400ER Max range: 5,645 nautical miles.

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:55 am

They don't HAVE to fit them with PTVs to take them across the pond. Their 767-300/ERs dont have PTVs.
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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 6:39 am

Don't bet on the 764s going transatlantic. They're outfitted specifically for domestic ops, so without a reconfiguration, there is no reason for them to cross the pond. Besides, the 763s and 777s can get the job done easily enough.

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RE: DL 767-400s- Will They Go Trans-Atlantic?

Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:48 am

Folks, the 767-400 can fly across the Atlantic from Atlanta, effortlessly. As I said before, CO operates the plane from EWR to HNL, a much further distance and eventually, DL will use its 767-400's to fly ATL-HNL as well. Distance is not a problem. As someone stated above, the 764's for DL are basically dom. aircraft.

DL already operates a 764 from SLC to HNL.

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