masseybrown
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A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:06 am

As we get closer to the A-380's first flight, I have not seen any US airport undertake the runway/taxiway improvements needed for this plane. IIRC, Aviation Week reported a year or two ago that all US airports need to do at least some work and LAX needs about $35 million to accomplish the mods.

Presumably only the very largest traffic points would anticipate A-380 flights. Does anybody know if A-380 preps are actually being made at LAX, JFK, ORD, ATL, etc?
 
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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:09 am

I don't think ATL will require much in the way of runway or taxiway improvements.

O'Hare will get them as part of their already-determined expansion plans.

Can't say much abou the others.

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:15 am

Gigneil,

ATL work will be as follows:

Runway 9L/27R & 9R/27L upgrades:

50 foot widening
40 foot shoulders
blast pads
300 runway lights relocated
2002 construction costs are $33.8 million

Taxiway improvements:

Taxiways M and R full length widening
2002 construction costs are $27.1 million

A380 operations will be limited to the E Gates on the South Concourse. Gates E1/E3 and E2/E4 will be combined into two single gates during A380 operations.

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:17 am

South Concourse? What? Huh?

Do you mean the south side of the E concourse by some chance? That'd be weird since the E concourse, like the others, is situated east to west.

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:21 am

Didn't MEM also renovate a runway for A380 ops?
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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:26 am

Jeremiah, thanks for the ATL details. Is the work scheduled? How happy are the domestic carriers about paying the $60 million to support one or two flights a day? There was grumbling in LAX, but it seems to have died down.
 
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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:40 am

Gigneil,

Ooopps I actually meant to say "South End of Concourse E". Or that's at least what I am reading in an airport ducument on accomodating the A380.

MasseyBrown,

I presume the work will start in the near future. BTW, ATL anticipates the following:

- 2 daily passenger A380 movements by 2015, the initial one operated by Air France. No additional passenger routes/services through 2015.
- 2 daily cargo A380 movements by 2015, the initial one operated by Lufthansa Cargo (which hasn't even ordered the plane). Additional service to/from Asia by 2025, probably through Anchorage.

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:15 am

Besides the runways/taxiways some gates are going to have to be built or redone to accomodate the 261ft span, the largest gates now are designed to hold up to the 212 ft 744.
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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:33 am

ATA L1011,

$250,000 will be invested in Jetway modifications and $50,000 in miscellaneous items such as terminal signage and ramp striping.

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:40 am

DEN can easily accomodate the A380 on any of its runways.

The new 16,000ft. runway will be 200ft. wide and the other 5 runways which are 12,000ft. long are 150ft. wide.

The 2 new runways built in Beirut (BEY) were specifically designed to handle the A380 also.

Both runways are 197 feet wide, and one is 11,138ft. long and the other is 12,467ft. long.

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:50 am

BA,

Goup 6 planes (hence including the A380) need 200 foot runways per FAA regulations. The 5 older Denver runways are not currently suitable.

Jeremiah

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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:57 am

All runways in San Francisco are 200 ft wide. The 11,800 ft 28R should do at sea level. Taxiways and gates seem to be the big question. The A/C and use taxiway Bravo ( the outer taxiway around the terminal ) but will restrict all movements on taxiway Alfa to 737/A320 and smaller. Gates A-11 and G-101 as far as I know are the only Intl gates that will be able to accom. it. I have been trying to dig up as much info as I can. Anyone have any ideas on future routes of the A380 to SFO. All I have heard has been VS to London. Maybe some cargo ops.
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RE: A-380 Runway Requirements

Wed Jun 04, 2003 12:02 am

AS739X,

From what I've read about SFO's current configuration, they will need about US$70 million in improvements to accommodate the A380-800. The big issue are the exit ramps on Runways 28R/10L and 1R/19L--I believe SFO will start the widening work very soon.

The end of Concourses A and G have two gates that are already conforming to the 80 x 80 meter standard needed for the A388. I believe the gates on the side of these two concourses that face towards San Franciso Bay can also be used to accommodate the A388 in a pinch, but that means you can't park a 747-400 on an adjacent gate, though.