airmale
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Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:07 am

Whats the status of Swiss Skies? are they really Swiss? from their website it appears they're a pseudo-European company catering to American interests under the safe, neutral "SWISS" banner, perhaps thats the only way the Americans could fly into Kabul safely as all of the major European airlines have not shown interest in flying there and the airlines that do are not considered safe, any US carrier would most probably risk being blown out of the sky if they flew there, least they could have done was gotten a name not sounding like a subsidiary of the Swiss flag carrier. Interesting though, start a new airline to cater to the Americans, why could the Americans not just 'coerce' Switzerland to grant Swiss Airlines a license to fly there, Im sure their A330 is more suited than the MD-11 Swiss Skies will be plying on the route, service begins July 14th from Washington via Geneva for those who dont know.
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:16 pm

So who are they, I'm curious to know.
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:38 pm

Although 76% owned by US citizens, Swiss Skies is based in Geneva because its offers the ideal geographic location for our operation. Many of our management and consultants are Swiss, and in fact, former employees of Swissair. Our goal is to couple Swiss and U.S. aviation best practices into Swiss Skies. Swiss Skies, therefore, refers to the collection of multinational products and services associated with air travel to Afghanistan, not necessarily the airline.

http://www.swissskies.com/about_us.php
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:48 pm

Swiss Skies is not subsidized by any government or international organization and must therefore ensure a favorable return to its investors in order to sustain its operations and to continue to maintain its high reliability standards.

Very ambitious and therefore not to survive these turbulent times of aviation... Just my two cents!
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:04 pm

This isn't a commercial airline, it's a CIA / US gov't airline (owned by "US citizens"...sounds shonky to me). Remember St Lucia Airlines? Same thing.


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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:35 pm

This isn't a commercial airline, it's a CIA / US gov't airline

This is contradictory to what the webpage is saying (Swiss Skies is not subsidized by any government) hence I don't trust them at all! Three cheers for the enthusiasm of these people!
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:38 pm

I can bet they'll be flying to Iraq next.
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:43 pm

It's not an airline at all (and that's straight from the horse's mouth). It's just acting as a conduit for traffic to be transported by World Airways.
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:46 pm

So the Swiss label is actually to allow it safe passage.
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:49 pm

...if it ever operates under this name...!
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:50 pm

Airmale, exactly. It's a US gov't transport. Of course it's not being "subsidised" by any gov't, World Airways are charging the gov't whatever it costs them to operate the service and the gov't are paying. No subsidies.

So World Airways are 76% owned by US citizens? Good one.
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:55 pm

Cedarjet, thanks for the info! Now I can see clearly... Big grin
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Fri Jun 06, 2003 11:58 pm

Unique is simply jealous because he wishes they flew from ZRH  Wink/being sarcastic

Back to the topic I am more than confident there is demand from Europe to Kabul. I personally have members in my family who have to go there on a professional basis, it takes them a mere 30 hours from Europe, having to transfer 4 times.

There is no city in Europe which is more centrally located as Geneva. Landing rights are easy to get, costs are also quite low. The fact that the flight leaves GVA for Kabul at 2200 is also an advantage for business men who can leave after work. I also believe the red cross will largely take profit of this route to transport goods to Afghanistan.

As for the GVA-Washington route the demand also exists, due to the numerous international organizations in GVA. Washington is in the top 5 most demanded routes from GVA from airport surveys. I think the success of that part will depend of how the airline markets the route, with enough publicities I think it can work. However the local press has failed to mention the airline yet, and the airport has not issued any official statements yet.

Another route subject to government approval and granting should be launched: Baghdad. North American has also applied for US-Baghdad (also via GVA), research previous posts for more information.

The Airline will launch as it has strong ties with the US gov. What would be more interesting to know is whether or not ex-swissair pilots will fly the MD-11s, this could be a possibility, however I believe the airline will be flying under an American AOC.

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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:55 am

Tim, I'm a little jealous, that's right! But only from a spotters point of view! And as long as World is operating, there is no reason to be jealous as we have had World at ZRH a few years ago...

I'm not stating my political opinion about this service...
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Sat Jun 07, 2003 7:24 pm

Why Could'nt Swiss operate the service? or Lufthansa, Austrian, British Airways or Turkish Airlines even Aeroflot.
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:29 pm

Simply because the americans want to make the deal. If any european carrier would open up this service, the US would not get the yield.

Also, there is very little demand for such a service from Europe hence the european carriers aren't interested (especially in such difficult times of aviation we're in).
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 11:08 pm

A few days ago, World Airways has requested slots at GVA Airport as follows:

WO200 14JUL20OCT 1000000 000M11 IAD1810 2015ESBKBL
WO201 15JUL21OCT 0200000 000M11 KBL1445 1645IAD
WO200 17JUL23OCT 0004000 000M11 IAD1810 2015ESBKBL
WO201 18JUL24OCT 0000500 000M11 KBL1445 1645IAD

Or in plain text:

WO200 will arrive GVA at 18.10UTC (20.10 local time) on Mondays and Thursdays from Washington and leave GVA at 20.15UTC (22.15 local time) bound for Kabul with a stop in Ankara. The eastbound service starts on 14th July and ends on 23rd October.

WO201 will arrive GVA at 14.45UTC (16.45 local time) on Tuesdays and Fridays from Kabul (nonstop) and leave GVA at 16.45UTC (18.45 local time) bound for Washington. The westbound service starts on 15th July and ends on 24th October.
 
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RE: Swiss Skies To Afghanistan-Why?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 11:17 pm

Tim: I don't think they will need any Swiss pilots. They will probably lease the aircraft from World on ACMI terms. World will provide the pilots. Furthermore, I think they will use World's AOC to operate the flights.

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