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City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Sat Jun 07, 2003 7:40 am

Looks like another round of political debate is brewing over placing a commercial airport at the former El Toro MCAS in Southern California (the airport proposal that never seems to die). Voters in Orange County passed a proposition last year calling for the former base to be converted to parks, housing and commercial development. The proposed alternative was as a commercial airport to help eliminate the pressure from the SNA slots and congestion at other Southern Calif airports.

Today it was revealed in the LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-eltoro6jun06002422,1,2220301.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
that Los Angeles World Airports (operator of LAX and ONT) sent a 37 page memo to the US Dept of Transportation proposing that LAWA be allowed to operate a commercial airport at El Toro. LAWA states they could have an airport up and running in 6 years. Within 15 years of opening LAWA feels an El Toro airport could see "28.8 million passengers and handle 2 million tons of cargo a year".

The revelation of the behind the scenes memo has Orange County cities in an uproar. This is what led to the press release put out this afternoon condeming LAWA.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030606/65334_1.html


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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Sat Jun 07, 2003 7:55 am

Jesus, this is like the 710 freeway debacle that has been going on for the last 30 years. You cannot drive from LA to Pasadena direct because of a friggin' 7 mile gap of freeway that the NIMBY's have managed to stall for over a generation now. I smell a similar battle heating up over El Toro.

Look, although I think that an airport WOULD be a good idea there, the people who LIVE there (read: squatters rights) have spoken. They don't want it. Oh well. To shove this airport down their throats would IMO be a smack in the face to a democratic society.

Now if LAWA were to sieze that land through eminent domain and/or the Courts, then that's a different story, although I can't imagine how LAWA would be able to do that, being based in LA County and El Toro being on OC. (I realize that ONT is in San Bernardino County...it has been for some 40 years...imagine if it wasn't and LAWA tried to wrest it from AFB) (SBD / KSBD), USA - California">SBD County?)


Anyway, there has been a lot of talk about turning March ARB between Riverside and Moreno Valley and the ex George AFB in Victorville into an airport. The Inland Empire and High Desert is where all the growth is. Why not puruse those options and let El Toro rest?
 
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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Sat Jun 07, 2003 8:54 am

El Toro! Move! Move! Toro! Toro!
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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Sat Jun 07, 2003 12:50 pm

If they could get a relatively quick light rail system to Palmdale, El Toro propositions would go away....maybe. And LGB is gonna raise the slot limits to 200, SNA runway is gonna be extended by 1,000 feet, SAN will relocate to a joint use facility with Tijuana. To dream the impossible dreams...
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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Sat Jun 07, 2003 2:52 pm

When do they plan to extend the SN runway? and Where do they think they have the room? Are they gonna extend it over the 71? toll road? Or are they going to (hopefully not-the current construction has caused enough problems driving thru, let alone such a major project to 'burry' the freeway under the runway) extend it over the 405 and have the freeway go under?

I would love it if they would turn ElToro into a major airport. Would love to see it as that instead of a stupid park.

[Edited 2003-06-07 07:55:08]
 
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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Sun Jun 08, 2003 1:51 am

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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:15 am

OC is very conservative right wing republican. Everyone has a NIMBY mentality. It sucks.
 
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RE: City Of LA Now Wants To Run An Airport At El Toro

Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:20 am

OC is a lot less Republican than it used to be. It used to be something like 60-65% Republican. According to the Calif. Secretary of State, the party affiliations as of February this year are:

Registered Voters 1,302,991
Democratic 414,010 31.77%
Republican 635,425 48.77%
Amer. Independent 24,603 1.89%
Green 6,938 0.53%
Libertarian 9,360 0.72%
Natural Law 2,800 0.21%
Miscellaneous 10,634 0.82%
Declined to State 199,221 15.29%

The NIMBYs these days probably belong to other parties also.
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