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AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 3:17 pm

Well due to a slight problem with flight 2 from LAX to ATL. A 717 had to replace the A320 on flight 3 ATL-LAX. The routing is ATL-DFW-LAX-DFW-ATL.
The flight is over Arizona right now and should be on the ground in LA in about 35 minutes.
So much fun, so little time.

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 3:31 pm

A 717 can't do ATL-LAX non-stop? What is the range on the 717. that trip is less than 2000mi isn't it?


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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 3:33 pm

The delivery flights do LGB-MCO all the time. But not with 117 pax and 150 bags, and a full 5 member crew.
Plus crew legality plays into it...since we have to fuel stop it, they waste off more time on the ground doing that.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 6:13 pm

it actually was cxld earlier in the day in la, it operated the morning flight out to l.a., but got stuck there.. the 717 operated via dfw on the westbound leg, but it looks as if it is going nonstop eastbound tonight, suppose to be at 1145pm, but delayed to 1220 am with an on-time arrival. that is what the airtran page says now 220ampst.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 9:29 pm

Whatever happening with Airbus A320 is not going to LAX either? So can you anyone please tell us about exactly what is going on for Ryan International? It actually was flew to LAX with one-stop in DFW get refuel on their aircraft.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 9:55 pm

There's three flights scheduled today between ATL/LAX...
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 10:16 pm

They do the delivery flights to MCO instead of ATL?

They must not have had any deliveries this month, because I didn't notice any since I been here.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 10:42 pm

How many spares does FL have in the system? I'm surprised they could give up an aircraft to do a LAX turn with all the growth they've had recently.

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:21 pm

They must not have had any deliveries this month, because I didn't notice any since I been here.

There was only one new 717 delivery this year. The other twenty-two are ex-TW/AA. They are refurbished and repainted in Miami.
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:27 pm

I believe Ship 740 was the only one delivered new this year.

Gr8slvrflt, The Ex-TW/AA planes aren't refurbished, but they are repainted and the seating is adjusted to AirTran's configurations. All of the ex-TW planes still have TW seats in them. The only refurbishments are to the Biz Class seats, in which they put a cloth fabric over them instead of the existing leather.
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:31 pm

The main reason why 717 delivery flights are LGB-MCO is that the MX base is currently @ MCO (at least until the TOC is built here @ ATL). To my knowledge, the only delivery flight of a 717 that went to ATL was with a/c #703, which was the first one delivered. That flight had AirTran employees onboard, and was routed LGB-DFW-ATL. What's interesting about delivery flights is that Frontier's Airbus delivery flights land @ PHX instead of DEN for tax reasons. The City of Denver imposes a steep consumer-use tax, so Frontier's new a/c enter revenue service out of PHX, so when the plane reaches DEN, it is no longer a "new" airplane.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sat Jun 07, 2003 11:38 pm

Gr8slvrflt, The Ex-TW/AA planes aren't refurbished, but they are repainted and the seating is adjusted to AirTran's configurations. All of the ex-TW planes still have TW seats in them. The only refurbishments are to the Biz Class seats, in which they put a cloth fabric over them instead of the existing leather.

The galleys are modified. The carpet is replaced. The emergency equipment is replaced. The closets are removed. The new reinforced cockpit doors are fitted. The engines and mechanical systems are given a thorough check. The cockpit is tweaked a little.
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:00 am

"A 717 can't do ATL-LAX non-stop? What is the range on the 717. that trip is less than 2000mi isn't it?"

This is the entire reason that AirTran is contracting with Ryan for the A320 wet lease for LAX and LAS. The 717 simply does not have the range. ATL-DEN is about the limit, and those flights are being operated with aircraft that have been modified to have the C1 engines.

The 717 yesterday was to cover a mechanical on Ryan's A320. What I heard on the line (unsubstantiated), was that excessive braking on landing resulted in a brake fire, and the aircraft was out of service. So, the 717 was routed through DFW to LAX to cover the return.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:09 am


Anyone tried the service? how is it?
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:18 am

Well it looks like we still don't have the A320 back, Flight 1 to LAX is currently being flown with a 717 as well. Which is not good, that flight was booked to 162...great.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:39 am

I am booked on this service in two weeks. As much as I like the 717s, I really want to see what Ryan's A320 service is like. I hope they get it back before I fly.

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:44 am

In early April, I saw a few planes sitting in the Airborn hangar at MIA. There were a few FL jets in there, were those the 717s being repainted? I though they were DC-9s getting ready for retirement....
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:53 am

Those aircraft were 717s at Airborn, they're all now in service with AirTran.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 1:51 am

The facility that does the Mod. work for Airtran along with all of their heavy maintenance is http://www.Avborne.com . Airborne is a cargo company!

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 3:56 am

That's what happens when you lease a computer(A320) from a shady outfit!!!!!(Just kidding........trying to stir Ryan's blood up a little!!!!)
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 4:19 am

If AirTran has contracted with Ryan to fly this route, shouldn't Ryan be responsible for providing a replacement aircraft, instead of AirTran?

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 4:27 am

Should is one thing, but Ryan actually has no aircraft. They just operate aircraft for others. The 2 A320s they got from MEA to operate for AirTran on the LAX and LAS routes are the only 2 passenger aircraft with N registry on their domestic certificate. I'm just hoping this incident, only 3 days into the operation, doesn't do too much damage to AirTran trying to enter the West Coast markets. This is a prime example of why it is always best to maintain operational control, but the company felt the need to enter these markets right away, instead of waiting until next year when we can fly these routes with our own aircraft.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 5:29 am

Where's the second 320? Is there only one painted at this point?
Ask why..
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 5:33 am

The second, in full AirTran colours, is parked at the North Cargo ramp in Atlanta.
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 10:41 am

What is the configuration on the AirTran A320's operated by Ryan Intl.? How comfortable and the main cabin and business class seats? What's the inflight service like? Is there any entertainment?

 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 10:51 am

What is the configuration on the AirTran A320's operated by Ryan Intl.?
12/144

How comfortable are the main cabin and business class seats?
ok

What's the inflight service like?
friendly but basic (pretzels in back, cookies and chips up front)

Is there any entertainment?
bring a book
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 11:43 am

I just saw the 717 on approach to LAX while I was on Hollywood Park (had to go with my mom so she could see the broadcast of the Belmont Downs) and that bird looked really nice!  Big thumbs up
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:04 pm

So does FL keep a spare 717 on hand at ATL? We (B6) always have 2 on hand. One at JFK and one at LGB. Not to bad considering we have 43 planes. (I'm pretty sure its 43, N563JB "Blue Chip" is the latest to join the fleet)
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Sun Jun 08, 2003 1:31 pm

Well to send the 717 to LAX, we did have a spare...sorry ROC pax, operational necessity  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:56 am

I am surprised they are only using 2 aircraft on with these two routes. I would have thought they'd have a third one just in case something like this were to happen. Oh well....as Ryan said, sorry ROC pax it happens..lol

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Mon Jun 09, 2003 6:53 am

Hell, we don't even have two aircraft yet. The second one is still waiting to get its operating certifcate. Should have it on June 9th or so.

We will have a spare, its fininshing its C check right now and should be out by the end of the week.

The spare will probably be all white with just a reg, and will park over at Mercury.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:18 am

Who is doing the ground handling in LAX?

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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:13 am

Seems a little shortsighted to me, at least, to commence service before reliability can be assured. If jetBlue starts other transcons from ATL, AirTran already has to fight jetBlue's superior IFE and 'cool' factor. Not good if you have to fight your own operational reliability too... bumping 40+ people because of an operational problem will not exactly encourage those 40 people to be repeat customers when they can go get the same or better product across the concourse.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Mon Jun 09, 2003 10:23 am

As I mentioned earlier, in a perfect world, I would have preferred that we would have waited until we had our own aircraft and could operate these routes ourselves. The company felt the need to begin this service with the wet-lease. Ryan has a 3rd aircraft that will be placed in ATL to be used as a spare on a per hour basis.

AirTran is not really competing with jetBlue. We'll leave that to Song. I don't think in the overall scheme of things that the company is too concerned about jetBlue's 3 departures from ATL to LGB. "Cool factor" or not.  Insane
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:56 pm

AirTran is not really competing with jetBlue. We'll leave that to Song. I don't think in the overall scheme of things that the company is too concerned about jetBlue's 3 departures from ATL to LGB. "Cool factor" or not.

Then the leadership of the company is foolish. All it takes is a few jetBlue dots to be connected from ATL and the AirTran-west-coast-expansion that's been on the table for months now gets much more complicated. And, they can do it if they want to -- they get new planes every month that are transcon-capable.

Even if jetBlue expands at ATL to get back at DL and Song, which I think could be a distinct possibility, AirTran is caught in the crossfire and would suffer right along with everyone else. DL's response would have to be muted and careful to avoid predatory action complaints that are sure to arise... by people on and off airliners.net  Smile/happy/getting dizzy AirTran is not equipped for its own response, and the Ryan service wouldn't stack up on an apples-to-apples comparison with jetBlue.

Why do you think that Joe Leonard wants to wrap up this airplane order and get new metal on the way? Why would AirTran run out and wet-lease planes for its own, high-profile service (something that isn't done a whole lot)? It's because they want to protect their market, and rightly so. So, clearly AirTran is concerned... and they should be doubly concerned that their service isn't reliable yet.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:10 am

I'll leave it to the AirTran leadership to make the decisions and defend their decisions. They seem to be making the right choices, given the state of our company vs. that of the competition. jetBlue has indicated they are not interested in anything other than the ATL-LGB service. At any rate, I'm confident in Mr. Leonard and Mr. Fornaro, et.al. They have made very few wrong moves, and as long as they focus on what AirTran is doing, then what everyone else does is their problem, not ours. Besides, the future growth of AirTran is focused in places other than ATL.
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:16 am

M717

That is good to hear. I think most other airline CEO get so wrapped up in what other airlines are doing that they lose focus on what they are actually doing. Great to hear about growth in areas other than ATL. Tho I will say this AirTran has held its own in ATL and managed to grow nicely. Satisfied stock holder here.
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:22 am

Luv2fly,

I think if you look at what AirTran has done in the past, with very few exceptions, such as when certain routes are abandoned by other carriers for whatever reason and AirTran moves into those markets, it is obvious that the decisions the company makes are based solely on what the management believes to be good opportunities for AirTran. They are not based on what they perceive the competition to be doing, or on what they believe they might be doing in the future. This strategy has proved to be successful, and I am confident they will continue this course. You can't really argue with their success rate up to this point.

Thank you for your continued support!!

[Edited 2003-06-09 17:23:24]
 
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RE: AirTran 717 To LAX

Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:33 am

M717

I can not agree with you more. I have been very happy with my investment and soon this year I do plan to actually fly AirTran and I am sure I will not be disappointed in the least.
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