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Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:06 am

What do you think? If Airtran orders the 737NG (or the A32X) will they also take more 717-200's (or even 300's)?
I have heard several rumours that this could happen...
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:12 am

I'd love to see them be the launch customer for the 717-300. I doubt they'll buy a 736 but a 737-700 seems feasible too. Puhleeze no Airbus' though...
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:15 am

Probably more 712's and a new order for 738's. IMHO.

Not sure if Boeing would build a 713 (717-300) just for AirTran even with a sizeable order.

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:34 am

Even if they did build them a 717-300, it would be of insufficient range.

N
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:38 am

The 717-300 could be attractive for airlines such as Delta that would fit nice between the MD-80 and the 732/3s

AA for something between the MD-80 and the Fokker 100

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:53 pm

As much as I would like to see a 717-300 it doesn't seem like it's going to happen. The 717-300 would only be an increase in capacity with little if any increase in range. With this order, AirTran is looking at range predominantly so as to be able to run from ATL - West Coast non-stop. The 737-700 seems like the likely candidate for this order, as it has pretty much what AirTran is looking for in terms of range, reliability, and capacity. A320's are entirely possible, but my sources are telling me that the 737-700 appears to be in the lead. The 717-300 would complement the 717-200 nicely, allowing AirTran added capacity to such cities as MCO, FLL, TPA and such, but again, the 717-300 isn't one of Boeing's top priorities, even with a substantial order from FL. My belief is that this order will consist of 50 737NG/A320 and 25 717-200 with options for each. The next couple of weeks could be very interesting here at AirTran!!

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:20 pm

I've heard rumors as well giving the edge to the 737NG over A32X. Only time will tell.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:28 pm

As I tried to post twice on this forum.....AirTran IS going with the 737-800
I saw the parking mark in ATL gate c4 today...the eveidence is there.
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:34 pm

Jmh...didn't Airtran have a relationship with Miami Air recently where they flew 738's to Miami for them? Maybe those parking marks were there from that era so that Miami Air could use AirTran's gates in ATL?

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:44 pm

Does Air Tran still have 737-200s in its fleet?

I saw an at this job placement place looking for mechanics for Air Tran and said they prefered someone with experience on DC-9s and 737s. If they no longer had any in their fleet, why would they need someone with experience on 737s then?
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:45 pm

Kevin,

Corey knows what is going on, although he'll deny it. Tell him Nate says "whats up" and if he's ever gonna come back to FLL...

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:01 pm

Nate,

I'll have to annoy him so I can get some insider info!! LOL Looks like Corey is going to stay up here in Chicago for a while, he is the (new) station manager. I'll tell him when I see him on Thursday! Do you work for FL in FLL?

Regards,

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:09 pm

Airtran still has a 737-200. I think 464AT(not sure). It is in storage in the desert. It has been there for a while. They are keeping just in case they get the 737NGs. So they don't have to do proving runs again.

To add to the rumorville I have also heard 737NGs(don't know which ones) the 700 or 800 and more 717s. Possibility of a 717-300.

We will probably know very soon.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:19 pm

Yes FL still has 1 lonely 737-200. I really hope they go with the -700 or -800, but I have been hearing airbus out the waazooo at work. But this is the airline industry so I'll believe it when i see it. kevin
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:23 pm

Kevin ~~

Poor Corey went through what I did at Great Lakes... a new city every quarter! He was down here for a few months before Ruth (who looks JUST LIKE PRINCESS DIANA, no joke!) took control. I was setting up the FLL station for my airline at the time and worked closely w/ Corey and his staff on all of our reaccoms and so forth. FL has a great staff down here in FLL... very outgoing and fun. I think I have 1/2 of their phone numbers in my cell!

Corey is on the 'move' per se... he was extreme upper management at Vanguard, FYI  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I doubt he'll be a station manager for much longer.. I expect him to be in Orlando within 2 years...

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:05 pm

"As I tried to post twice on this forum.....AirTran IS going with the 737-800
I saw the parking mark in ATL gate c4 today...the eveidence is there."


And as I have explained many times before, the company has indicated an interest in the 737-700, due to several factors. Besides, one mark at one gate does not make for concrete "evidence". By the time the new aircraft arrive sometime next year, the parking marks will need to be repainted...again.

In any event, this question will be answered in a week or so. As for me, personally I hope they do go with the -800. More $$$ for me.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:11 pm

All I have to say about Airtran getting 737s is this; BLENDED WINGLETS!!!
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:20 pm

"As I tried to post twice on this forum.....AirTran IS going with the 737-800
I saw the parking mark in ATL gate c4 today...the eveidence is there."

I remember prior to American flying 737-800s to IAH they painted the markings on the apron as well; therefore your point is valid. However, I believe that the other poster was right, that was more likely for the Miami Air 737-800s used from time to time.
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:29 pm

Yeah the painting on the tarmac is a good sign.

I went to DTW for the Northwest Midfield terminal at their open house and I noticed painting on the tarmac for A330 and 757-300 long before they even took their first 753. Although, both planes had been officially ordered by then.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:07 am

ONE mark on ONE gate means nothing. Besides, I believe there would be no difference in the placement of the nosewheel when parking a 737-700 or -800. The difference is further back....like the length of the fuselage. Not from the nosewheel to the fwd door.

But this whole discussion is really moot. Wait a week or two, and you will have all the answers.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:28 am

Using the painting on the tarmac logic, DL also is about to launch A330 and 747-400 service.

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:04 am

Reading the past few posts about AirTran has inspired me to register as I work for us at ATL. I couldn't help wanting to clear up some things.

"Jmh...didn't Airtran have a relationship with Miami Air recently where they flew 738's to Miami for them? Maybe those parking marks were there from that era so that Miami Air could use AirTran's gates in ATL? "

While we did have a relationship with Miami Air, the markings referred to have been painted within the last 7-10 days at Gates C-4, C-14, C-17, C-20, and at least one other I am forgetting. There are markings for 717/DC9, A-320, and 737-800. I believe its more of a "just in case" move as opposed to a "let the cat out of the bag" move.

"Using the painting on the tarmac logic, DL also is about to launch A330 and 747-400 service."

If you are referring to Concourse E at ATL, most if not all widebody gates on that Concourse have hash-marks for several equipment types. Delta is the primary user of E, not the owner. Several carriers use several different gates based on operational demands.

I look forward to the insight offered by this forum as well as offerring my two cents from time to time.

James

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:31 am

I agree with James. I work for FL in BWI and our gates were just repainted and the have marks for the 717/DC9, 737/A319/20, 757/A321. I only wish the logic of if its painted on the line they must be flying it was true. We would really be pumping then, by the marks at bwi airtran must fly basically every new generation aircraft. kevin
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:34 am

Could it also be if you ever sub lease the gates for say a charter operator to use, you now have the lines painted and ready to go?
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:26 am

if you are a good marshaller you can just 'eye' it *lol* :P
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:42 am

Or the airports in this country could move into this (or the last) century, and have the automated light guidance systems prevalent in Europe. No marshallers necessary.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:49 am

I heard that Airtran did not want the A320 or 737NG's because they are heavy and cost more to operate than the 717.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:52 am

But they've made it clear that they DO want one, since they want a transcontinental aircraft.

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:54 am

That is where the 717-300 could fit in.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:57 am

I don't think so.

Boeing has already said publically that any 717-300, if people were other than Airtran were to order it, would not have a greater range, but a lesser range.

To give the 717-300 transcon range would invalidate its use as an aircraft... it'd make it heavier, and costlier to operate, and they already HAVE airplanes in their lineup at that capacity that have transcon range.

There's not even a guarantee that they COULD make the plane larger and give it more range.

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:11 am

Maybe AirTran should order the ERJ145XLR  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:20 am

For all of you talking about Corey at MDW, tell him Fred from NJ&FL at MCI says "hi."

He was a rising star at NJ before it went under. Started as a CSA and ended up a year later as Director of Stations. Got a promotion about once every four months. Good guy. Looks like he's shooting up like a rocket at FL, too.

As for the paint marks, at NJ we painted 722 hash-marks on gates 17A, B, and 18. This led to everyone (including me) to speculate we'd be getting 722s. In actuallity, we were going to be running charters for FunJet on Flacon Air, Miami Air, and Trans-Meridian aircraft. That eventually led to our leasing of Trans-Meridian 722s to cover published routes since no one would lease us MadDogs for a price we were willing to pay (at least, that's what they were telling us).

AirTran will choose an aircraft this summer. They may have already chosen it and are simply keeping it under wraps for the time being. So long as none of the people who know buy or sell large amounts of stock or advise others to do so, no big deal. No matter what, they'll probably choose more than one aircraft, even if it's just 73Gs and 738s, or if it's A318s, 19s, and 20s. My personal belief is that they'll choose 50 712s, 50 73Gs or 738s, and 50 713s which, if no one else buys them, can be converted to either 712s or 73Xs. I think they'll choose half to an equal number of options on all three.
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:34 am

I think AirTran should buy 75 used MD-83's  Wink/being sarcastic

(just kidding)
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:43 am

"Maybe Airtran should order the ERJ-145-XLR"


NO!! Please, I just finished training on the 717 after almost 5 years of Embraer 120/135/145(ER)(LR) and (XR). Let me fly something with a normal yoke for a while.

Seriously, my bet would be on a Paris Air Show announcement from Boeing for 737NG's and more 717's for Airtran.

That's my story and I'm "sticken" to it!

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:28 am

The contract AirTran currently has with its pilots covers only one additional a/c type over the 717 and DC-9: the 737-700. The additional markings could also be so that the A320 flights operated by Ryan Int'l can use more of the gates (so far, I've only seen the A320 parked on C-14 and C-20, with it mainly being parked at C-20). The marking could also be for whenever AirTran either handles a charter flight or if they contract another airline to help cope with seasonal demand (like they have done in the past with Miami Air and Transmeridian Airlines). I think the order is going to break down as followed: 50 737-700s with 50 options (convertible to -800 or -900 series), and they will exercise the remainder of their original 717 options and order an additional 25 717s with 25 new options (convertible to 737NG).
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:53 am

I agree completely with Srbmod....

Travis/8 year AirTran employee.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:57 am

"The contract AirTran currently has with its pilots covers only one additional a/c type over the 717 and DC-9: the 737-700."

Not true.

Our contract contains pay scales for "Small Narrowbody Aircraft", which include: B-737(-100,-200,-300,-500,-600,-700); DC-9 (All Models); A318; A319; F-100; and Bae-146. Currently, all pilots are paid on this scale, since we only operate DC-9 variants.

We also have pay rates for "Large Narrowbody Aircraft", which include: B-727; B-737(-400,-800,-900); B-757, A320; and A321.

There are also pay rates for Widebody aircraft.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:24 am

Guys, can we give it a rest and wait for the official announcement. We have been barking over this bone for the past 6 months. What makes you guys think they are going with this or that when the CEO is still trying to decide?

Please.
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:45 am

the decision is most likely already made, and everything points towards an announcement later this month.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:28 pm

Elwood,

Drop him a line. He checks his e-mail in his sleep :P

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I drop by his office @ MDW everytime I'm through there and have time...

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:59 pm

"(so far, I've only seen the A320 parked on C-14 and C-20, with it mainly being parked at C-20). "

The primary gates for the Airbus operations are C-17 and C-20. It has been determined that the fuel pit is poorly located at C-14, which was to be the primary gate. Grand Bahama operations which have historically been operated from C-17 or C-17A will soon be shifting to C-15 to free up the 17's for the 'bus.

James
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:40 pm

Segmentking:

I would, but I don't have his addy. Still say I expect him to move up at FL, soon to Corporate Officer level...
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:11 am

Gigneil: Actually the 717-300 will have more range and they are more than 75% the way to an announcement.

 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:13 am

"Grand Bahama operations which have historically been operated from C-17 or C-17A will soon be shifting to C-15 to free up the 17's for the 'bus. "

All the more fun for me!

On second thought, LAS is probably oversold today.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:16 am

LGB Photos-

Really? Where did you come by this information that's contrary to Boeing's announcements?

And what sense does a 717-300 with more range make?

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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:56 am

Gigneil

You probably find out a lot of answers to your questions next week.
 
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RE: Airtran 737NG And 717 Order?

Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:24 am

Gigneil - from a 717 program manager

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