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US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:52 am

I know this has been questioned several times, but I could not find a thread answering my needs. So I appeal to you in search for knowledge!!!!

Here it is a list of all US cities with international services (not including Canada, Mexico or Caribbean islands). I would like to know if I am missing any city which CURRENTLY has international service (and if possible to which destination)

Thanks!


ATL, BOS, BWI, CLT, DEN, DFW, DTW, IAD, IAH, LAS,
LAX, MIA, MCO, MEM, NYC, ORD, PDX, PHL, PHX, PIT,
PVD, SAN, SEA, SFO, CLE, CVG

A grand total of 25 gateways (plus many others to Mexico and Canada).

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:02 am

RDU would be one, with a daily to London. Also, SJC with a flight to Japan.

PVD does not have regularly scheduled flights to Europe.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:03 am

You are missing AA's scheduled RDU to LGW and STL to LGW as well as BA's service TPA to LGW. Additionally, you did not consider the many charters that operate to SFB and RSW from Europe. You also missed MSP to AMS/LGW on NW.

You are also missing SJC to Tokyo service on AA, plus HNL to Tokyo service on any number of carriers. ANC to ICN on OZ is also missing.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:04 am

RDU - AA flight to LGW
STL- AA flight to LGW
FLL- Aces flight to BOG
TPA- BA to either LHR or LGW (not sure)
ANC- multiple Asian destinations
HNL- QF, AC to SYD, numerous Asian destinations

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:08 am

Boeing 757/767:

PVD has a one weekly flight to Azores islands in mid Atlantic with SATA. It continues to Oporto, Portugal.


Thanks for your quick answers. I am sorry I did not include RDU and MSP. I was not aware of TPA services and thought STL had no service at all.


Anything else?


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:13 am

Unbelievably sad that MSY cannot currently make this list  Sad
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:14 am

PVD is a seasonal service only. To make this easier I would stick to scheduled, year-round service.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:31 am

MSY and SLC are sad examples for not being on this list.

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:51 am

doesn't sarasota have a flgiht to germany on condor? believe this is year round, but may not be. yeah. i am pissed MSY is not on there as well.
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:57 am

rsw have a condor flight to fra
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:08 am

OK, the topic says "US Gateways to EUROPE", but his message also asks international services to any destination so it is quite confusing. Which is which? Reading just from the topic, one has a feeling that everyone here has lost their sense of geography because the last time I checked Tokyo was still in Asia, unless the eastward expansion of NATO has created a new technicality! I thought I missed another news briefing by Rumsfeld claiming that Japan is new Europe!
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:27 am

Does TPA have BA service?

 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:01 am

Speedbirdyvr,
why not? Some are claiming that Israel wants to join the EU  Laugh out loud


Does TPA have BA service?

Yes, nonstop to LGW
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:01 am

"Does TPA have BA service?"

777 service TPA-LGW.
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:07 am

SFB is served most of the year by charter airlines to the United Kingdom. I know none of them are scheduled but they carry so many pax between Europe and Sanford that I think they deserve a mention!
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:39 am

NYC has two main International airports , JFK which is in the Jamaica neighborhood of the Borough of Queens. And Newark Liberty International in the City of Newark New Jersey, JFK is about 15 miles and EWR about 16 miles from Mid-Town Manhattan.

Laguardia airport has service to Canada, Bermuda and the Bahamas. The only International airline at LGA is Air Canada, however LGA has no customs or immigration facilities.

All passengers are pre screened in either Canada, Bermuda, or the Bahamas.

Minneapolis/St.Paul Minnesota (MSP) is another European Gateway, NWA and Iceland Air fly to Europe from MSP.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:44 am

Oakland has seasonal Corsair service to Paris. They also have seasonal service to the Azores. I can not remember who is flying it this year, but there is a thread on it somewhere. SJC has not seen Europe service since the short stint of AA SJC-CDG.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:46 am

CLE does have service to LGW with CO
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:11 am

however LGA has no customs or immigration facilities.

Not true at all, LGA does indeed have FIS facilities for customs/immigration processing if needed.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:13 am

MSY deserves a nonstop to Europe...even more so than several cities that currently have it, but I won't mention names...you know who you are.

However, we may not see one for a long time, as the major airlines really aren't showing a lot of vision and foresight these days.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:16 am

Well, the buzz from the bees is that Lufty has developed an eye for MSY as of last year... maybe we'll see something from them next summer.

Make sense... about the only two airports they can really get MSY traffic from is ORD/IAD. Not exactly the best transit options.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:25 am

Lufty 3x weekly MSY-FRA, or AF 3x/week MSY-CDG....how the hell can that NOT make money for them?!?

Delta can downgrade ALL Atlanta flights to MD-80's due to a decrease in FRA/CDG connections, I really don't care...just give us what we need...

a NONSTOP FLIGHT TO EUROPE!

Not asking too much really.



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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:30 am

in some instances... it's actually less efficient for an airline to operate a routine type of flight a few days per week than it is to do so daily.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:32 am

Well let's see what we have then:

ATL, BOS, BWI, CLT, DEN, DFW, DTW, IAD, IAH, LAS,
LAX, MIA, MCO, MEM, NYC, ORD, PDX, PHL, PHX, PIT,
SAN, SEA, SFO, CLE, CVG, MSP, RDU, TPA, STL

(Scheduled Flights to Europe only) (in a year-round basis)

Is LGW-LAS Virgin's flight still seasonal????? In not it can be included in this list as well.

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:44 am

"MSY deserves a nonstop to Europe...even more so than several cities that currently have it, but I won't mention names...you know who you are."


Why don't you humor us?
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:03 am

RDU for example....and PDX....TPA even...surely, if those cities can enjoy the luxury of a direct U.S-Europe nonstop, MSY can.....you can also add CLE to that list probably.

But I'd say the no. 1 city that does not really deserve a nonstop to Europa is none other than MEM.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:18 am

Nothing personal, but all those cities you mentioned (other than MEM) are much larger business centers than MSY. BA service to MSY didn't last long at all, and wasn't that during the oil boom?
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:26 am

US Gateways to Europe:

Boston
Newark
New York/JFK
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Washington D.C.
Charlotte
Raleigh/Durham
Atlanta
Orlando
Miami
Tampa
Houston
Dallas/Ft. Worth
Phoenix
San Diego
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Oakland (Charters)
Portland
Seattle/Tacoma
Denver
St. Louis
Chicago
Detroit
Memphis
Minneapolis
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Fort Lauderdale (Charters)
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:41 am

BA flew here in 1982 during the big oil bust. Things were doing great here on the business front until around 1979/1980...that's when the oil bust hit...and hit bad.

The economy is more diversified now with a growing technology segment, so I don't think it would be a problem supporting at least a twice-weekly service. And of course, with over 2 million people living within 2 hours of MSY airport, the population base is there to justify the service.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:03 pm

I thought AA dropped SJC-CDG when they dropped SJC-TPE. I could be wrong though.

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:37 pm

2 million people isn't that much of a population to support an international flight. Especially with IAH, DFW, ATL all having major hubs in the area that offer multiple daily flights to LGW, FRA, and CDG. ORD offering mutiple daily flights to LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA, and many other European destions. I can think of many cities with a 2 million plus population base that do not, and cannot support an international flight. Plus, the alliances such as OneWorld, SkyTeam, and Star Alliance pretty much rule out BA or other airlines serving MSY. That's what the alliance is for, so BA doesn't have to offer a 2 x weekly flight into a market that isn't a rock solid sure bet for profit. Let them connect to AA at DFW or ORD and continue on to MSY.

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:45 pm

2 million people isn't that much of a population to support an international flight.

And MEM's (the lowest O&D of any airport in its size category) is? Come on... the yield cant be that great.

And let's talk about LAS and TPA while we're at it...
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:56 pm

Pardon my French, but to hell with the alliances.

Let's not have them connect in IAH/ATL/ORD....where's the convenience in that? There is enough demand here to warrant a nonstop. All the convenience goes to the Atlanta's and the Houston's of the world.

BA cannot serve MSY at this time...but AF or LH sure can....and I bet you they will, as they realize that MSY is a great city with untapped potential, regardless of the proximity of Houston and Atlanta.

And about my population comment...2 million was a bit of an underestimate.
More like 2.5 or so within a 2.5 hour drive of the city. We are by no means a booming mega "no character" market but have enough people around to support a flight.



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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:01 pm

Hands down, MEM would not even be CONSIDERED for a nonstop Europe flight if it were not for the prescence of NWA.

All MEM has going for it is FedEx.

TPA...LAS....leaisure-oriented markets like MSY (except MSY isn't nearly as "fake" as LAS is)...if they can have Europe flights, we can. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.

Fred....anything else you'd like to add? Smile


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:43 pm

The problem with MSY (beyond being too close to ATL, IAH) is that too much of the traffic is leisure oriented. The business market just isn't strong enough especially for the Europeans.

TPA and LAS ony exist because they are such extreme leisure markets that they can justify their existence based just on volume. Of course, places like MEM,CVG,PIT only have transatlantic service because they are hubs. If MSY became a hub for a major international airline, then you'd probably have Europe service. But since I don't see that happening, MSY is likely to remain w/o Europe service.
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:16 pm

I think the arguments can go both way when thinking about it. Sure, MSY would be a mostly un-proven market, and it's true that airline's don't like to take risks too much anymore. However, MSY is a very popular destination for European travellers. An LTU offcial said MSY was the "number one underserved market from Germany". Also, we have a lot of local traffic flying to AMS, LGW/LHR, CDG, and FRA....enough daily passengers in fact warrant a nonstop I'm quite certain. So we'll just have to see how the cards fall.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:04 pm

Steve in NOLA,

Why do you think there are no non-stops MSY to Europe. If all your reasons for having service are correct, why doesn't any airline know this.

If MSY-Europe would be a profitable market, someone would be flying it, wouldn't they!
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:20 pm

"Hands down, MEM would not even be CONSIDERED for a nonstop Europe flight if it were not for the prescence of NWA."

I'm reasonably sure that Northwest/KLM hasn't kept the MEM-AMS flight in the air for the past eight years as a charity act to the city of Memphis. Perhaps as you say Memphis doesn't "deserve" a European flight, but there must be a good bit of value to the flight for it to have been kept for as long as it has. And the fact that it operates simply because of the NW hub isn't such a surprising factor. As a couple of other examples, I seriously doubt STL or CLE would have nonstop European service without their hub status.
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:29 pm

Bobnwa, MSY has pretty much just been overlooked by the major's when it comes to International service. Period. All of the airline's efforts seem to be going towards their respective hub cities'. If an airline WERE to look at this market they would see that it could be profitable for them, but that's just it, getting them to look at us and take us seriously I guess you could say is a hard sell these days. We're not the biggest metro area so I guess they figure that we could not support it, and that's the typical big airline way of thinking these days. No vision anymore, and it saddens me.

Our best chance would be from a European carrier I do believe. I've always thought tying in the flights to connect with the growing number of cruise ships leaving the Port of N.O would be a great idea....and I have more ideas too. Will I ever see them become a reality? Hopefully. For a city with as much history, culture, and European flair as New Orleans, it is a shame that we don't have any nonstops yet. Soon hopefully.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:28 am

While I can appreciate the zeal of those from New Orleans' for expanded service the numbers are simply not there to justifiy regular European service, in my opinion. The Per Capita Income figures paint a rather dismal picture of the metropolitan region as compared to some of its regional neighbors.

See:
http://www.baconsrebellion.com/Issues/07-22-02/Stats_MSAs_1989-1999%20per%20capita%20income_growth.html

Atlanta - $32,486
Dallas - $34,690
Houston - $32,386
Memphis - $28,828
Birmingham - $27,896
Little Rock - $27,571
New Orleans - $25,960

I really don't think too many more U.S. cities will be connected to Europe via nonstop flights. (Salt Lake? Hartford? Manchester? KC? N.O.?)

Heck a limited case could be made that the Austin-San Antonio region (using AUS Bergstrom's long runways) is ahead of New Orleans in the pecking order. Combined population of 2.7 million and average PCI of $28,255 and home to six Fortune 500 companies (1 in Austin and 5 in San Antonio) versus only one in New Orleans. Even this is unlikely with alliances.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 3:39 am

So for all the talk about MSY, why couldn't a European carrier transit a few times a week on its way to MEX or similar? Just a thought.
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:13 am

Even if there is a lot of traffic coming from Europe to MSY, connecting it with one city in Europe non stop does not really offer a lot of convenience for a large number of people, it just changes which side of the Atlantic they would be making a connection on...

If there were one city in Europe with lots of O/D demand for MSY specifically, it would be a different story I think... Just my 2 cents.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 5:39 am

What about RDU's service to LGW? AA started it when the carrier had a hub at RDU, but it seems odd that the service has outlived the hub. I know it's been said that a pharmaceutical company, Glaxo I think, makes considerable use of the service, but I sort of doubt that would be enough to keep it going.
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:26 am

Question: Who else thinks this would be a good route for Air France?

Air France, CDG-MSY-IAH, 3X weekly, Airbus A330

Seems to me like it'd be a winner...nice mix of leisure and corporate travel on this one, would give IAH passengers another flight option, and would give MSY passengers its only direct flight to Europe. AF would have a monopoly on the MSY-Europe market pretty much...they could charge basically whatever they want to and people would eat it up....really good Eurail system from Paris would allow people going to AMS, BRU, FRA etc to hop from the plane to the train easily.

I like the sound of this.


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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 7:29 am

MSYtristar,

I could be a winner if US would allow 5th freedom rights!

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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:39 am

"Air France, CDG-MSY-IAH, 3X weekly, Airbus A330

Seems to me like it'd be a winner...nice mix of leisure and corporate travel on this one, would give IAH passengers another flight option..."


I believe IAH passengers would opt for the daily nonstop IAH-CDG Air France flight, if they were to fly Air France.

You can fill a cabin to capacity, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the airline is profiting. It's more about yield than it is capacity. The airlines will go where they can make a profit on business fares.

 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:50 am

I proposed this as an additional flight...not to replace the current nonstop. Should Air France choose to do a route like this, the yield would be good most likely. I'm sure demand is there in IAH to warrant this. MSY could support a flight on its own, but this may be easier for some naysayers to swallow for the time being.

How is a profit made on flights to LAS, TPA then? I would imagine the vast majority of those tickets are dirt cheap.



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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 11:51 am

Actually PROSA I read that the RDU-LGW was AA's most profitable international flight.
 
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 11:59 am

I could be a winner if US would allow 5th freedom rights!


hate to break this to you, but the US has long allowed 5th freedom rights  Laugh out loud

You have 5th and 8th freedom (i.e., cabotage) confused  Big grin
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RE: US Gateways To Europe

Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:03 pm

I wonder why CO doesn't fly MSY-NRT nonstop instead of through IAH?

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