racko
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Information About The New LH Business Class

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:30 am

Translated from a German forum, posted by "coolAIR", the information is from the Travel magazine "travel one":

A340-300 D-AIGC is equipped with the new business class instead of the old First Class.

-Distance between seats grows from 122cm to 147-158cm (depending on aircraft type)

-Recaro seats have a length of 200cm at an angle of 10°

-3 pre-programmed seating positions:
-Work-and-Dine
-Relax
-Sleep

-Seating positions can be altered via remote control at 4 different positions

-27 buttons for the multimedia system, mouse and creditcard-reader integrated

-Screen diagonal is 25cm, Bose headphones

-Video-on-Demand with 15-20 movies, including actual movies which just started in the cinemas

The new A346s and the A333s get them from the start, the other planes will be equipped until 2005. The 747s have to wait, because the seats don't fit directly and changes on the aircraft have to be made (?)

Depending on the booking situation, the seating configuration can be changed. It takes LH Technik 3h to change it.

United and SAS were included in the development, but later quitted because of the bad market situation and high costs.

Travel one also says the Economy class seats will also be upgraded, but gives no details.

Apparently there are pictures of the new business class in the current issue of the "Lufthanseat", the LH company magazine.
 
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RE: Information About The New LH Business Class

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:38 am

Racko:

Vielen dank for the news! I can't wait to see some pictures....

I had heard rumors of a Business Class redesign for United, but I am not surprised that we pulled out due to our current state of affairs. Hopefully someday soon we can join with Lufthansa and offer a superior new Business service.

(3 hours to change the seating configuration?? Well, with the way we schedule our aircraft so tightly and with our reduced maintenance manpower, I'm not sure even 3 hours is short enough!)
 
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RE: Information About The New LH Business Class

Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:39 am

That sounds quite interesting, finally LH seems to get a decent Biz product since the old one didn´t stand the competition anymore.
I hope the rumour about an improved Economy Class turns out to be true as there is also a lot of room for improvement, especially concerning seat pitch and IFE.
Does anyone have access to some more information about the new interiors (possibly pictures?) and the next aircraft to be fitted with the new seats?

Daniel
 
racko
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RE: Information About The New LH Business Class

Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:51 am

Actually, the A343 with the new seats is more a testbed as I understand the article, they don't sell F-Class seats for the routes and instead pick out some C-Class customers and offer them to test the new product.

As for the Y-Class, it was said that the pitch would remain the same but the legspace would grow. No word on IFE, but I seriously doubt that they could introduce new Y-Class seats without PTVs. The credit card reader shows that LH will probably offer extra services with extra cost for the C-Class passengers, there are lots of possibilites. (One thing for sure will be the Connexion internet)
 
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RE: Information About The New LH Business Class

Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:33 pm

the "wirtschaftswoche" today reports that from 2004 on, LH´s economy class will also be reconfigured with newer, more comfortable seats.

about those economy seats, i´ve already heard that those seats, at least new seats, are in store for their continental fleet. although legroom and pitch would remain the same, the seats would be slightly closer together so as to cram more people, more seats into one aircraft. and the only way to do this, i believe, is by reducing the thickness of the back of the seat (new, more comfotable materials???). perhaps i´ve got things wrong, but i remember it that way.

cheers
daniel
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racko
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RE: Information About The New LH Business Class

Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:28 am

Ok here are 2 more articles (in German) which describe the new business class further, I'll try to summarize them for the Non-German-speaking people on here:

http://www.wams.de/data/2003/06/15/116223.html?s=1
Wirtschaftswoche Article

The Wirtschaftswoche article describes the new business class as "chic" and very stylish, in opposition to LH's "technocratic" image. LH will also introduce a new status for frequent flyers with more than 150.000 miles a year. For them, they'll build 2 completly new lounges in FRA and MUC with own security checks and passport checks, so the "Übersenators" (excuse me  Big grin) don't have to get in touch with the cattle.

The Welt am Sonntag article describes the new Business class as a real winner. The A343 equipped with the new Business class is doing the FRA-ORD route (LH432/433). They're picking out some pax who have booked the regular C-Class and ask them whether they want to test the new seats. They have to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement, so that's why you probably won't see any pictures here or somewhere else. In the sleep position, the seats are 2m long and completly flat. The angle is 10°. There 27 (!) buttons and 2 mouse buttons for the seating position and the multimedia system. There's even a memory function which you can use to save your favorite position. They describe it as "S-Class-niveau".

There are 1m high partition walls between the seat rows, so you can't disturb the people sitting in front of you and they can disturb you, be it by smells, sounds or whatever.

The video-on-demand was described above, (it also features forward,pause and rearward functions) additionally there is a big cd collection and even some computer games(!). The screen is on the partition wall and is double the size of the old LH C-Class screen. You can either surf in the internet with wirelass lan and your own notebook, or you can also surf on the muldimedia screen with (probably) included mouse and keyboard. Non-technical there are also new pillow (3 times the size of the old ones) and new headrests. There'll also be new crockery and glasses, but they'll be introduced some months after the new seats. Same goes for new washrooms and cooled trolleys which will make ice cubes useless.

The massage function isn't working at the moment, but LH promises they'll have it ready by the time the new C-Class enters service.

Die Welt complains about the lack of the "care packages" (what's Kulturbeutel in English?), you have to get the tooth brush, ear plugs etc. in the washroom. And they want a bar on the plane, mentioning that Virgin has them and LH had them in the 747s in the 70s. (A380 maybe? )

The first planes will be ready by October 2003, by Spring 2004 they want to have 20 planes with the new C-Class in service. The price of a seat is 35000 US$.

Uff, that was some work. I hope somebody actually reads it  Laugh out loud
The only thing we're still lacking is a photo.