Shawn Patrick
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Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:57 am

I've noticed that the pictures of WAW now have "Frédéric Chopin" included in the name. I was wondering about how the airport got this name.


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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:02 am

Chopin was not French; he was Polish.
He moved to France when he was 21.

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:03 am

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:33 am

He's wrong about that 762ER being the first Western Airliner in LOT's fleet. LOT had some Lockheed Electras and some Douglas aircraft. There was also some Vickers, and Fokkers, LOTs of little Fokkers flying around  Big grin

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:39 am

It was supposed to be called Warsaw "Jozef Pilsudski" after the pre II WW Polish leader, but it was dropped. As for Chopin, its a well known name around the world so...

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:46 am

I believe Chopin was a classical composer if I'm not mistaken
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:08 pm

They should have named it Liberace, wasn't he Polish too?  Nuts
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:55 pm

I'm old. I can't believe that there is an intelligent person on earth who does not know the name.

No joking here, I'm truly shocked and horrified. Are arts taught anywhere in the world today?
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:59 pm

Chopin is buried in a cemetery in Paris - at least, most of him. He said that his heart belonged to Poland, and it was removed from his body to be taken back to his homeland.

And while we're on the subject, Marie Curie wasn't French either - she was Polish too.
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:28 pm

Hello,


That just shows how strong the historical links between Poland and France are, from Napoléon to the immigration waves of the 20th century, from Michel Poniatowski to Roman Polanski.


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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sat Jun 14, 2003 10:25 pm

I believe Chopin was a classical composer if I'm not mistaken

Indeed he was. But its kinda cool having an international airport named after a famous composer though..... Big grin
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 4:00 am

Roman Polanski is in France simply because he doesn't want to go to jail for statutory rape. And the French won't turn him over. Just a little FYI.

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 5:53 am

Frédéric Chopin -
Polish famous pianist and composer, had French father, Polish mother...
Early to middle 19th century... friend of Franz Liszt (another pianist-composer)
Lover of French writer Georges Sand (a lady despite her name...)
Lived a long time as refugee in Paris, died there, quite young age...
Buried in Paris - Cimetière du Père Lachaise...
Some of his music pieces are named "Polonaises" (Polish pieces)...
Considered one of the figureheads of music from Poland...
Love his piano music (I play piano, but not that good, unfortunately)...
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:03 am

747Skipper, your spelling of Mrs Sand's first name is wrong.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Her name is George Sand, she removed the s to make a difference between Georges (for men) and George (for her)  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:13 am

Sorry to drag the thread down into pedantry, but...

Her name is George Sand, she removed the s to make a difference between Georges (for men) and George (for her)

This is, perhaps, misleading. George Sand intentionally assumed a male-sounding name solely in order to get published - and read.

She had good taste in men though - Musset, Liszt, and Chopin!  Smile
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:21 am

Dear AOMlover -
Apologies, you are correct, I am fully fluent trilingual English-French-Spanish -
I should know better -
No excuses for me, worse, I play Chopin (bad) on piano...
And I read a lot about his life... a superstar in his days...
Story is that she used a "man's name" in fear of rejection as a female writer...
Besides, she was supposedly very "bossy" (acting as man) with Frédéric...
Who knows...
The fame of the Beatles... ok... but in his days, Chopin was equal...
I love classical music... Merci de me le signaler, cher ami...
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:03 am

Oh, I very much admire Chopin's music as well - I've heard many of his piano works (I studied one for about a year, and I've read a couple of others). Though I haven't heard many of his concertos and ensemble works, I'm sure they're great as well. I'm currently playing around with his nocturne in C# minor, "lento con gran expressione" (B747skipper, I'm sure you've heard it), and I recorded another nocturne (clarinet + piano) a few weeks ago.

Good stuff!

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:08 pm

Add me to the list of Chopin fans, Shawn and Skipper. I have loved his music since I was 10. In fact, my first album (yes, a vinyl LP) was Dinu Lipati playing Chopin's Piano Concerto no. 1.

Speaking of airliners, LOT named one of its Il-62s Frederic Chopin, a classy name for a classy airplane. I'm glad to see the same honor bestowed on the airport.
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 1:15 pm

Whatever happened to that IL-62M? What was the registration?

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 1:20 pm

What a great name for the WAW airport. Chopin is one of my favorite composers, too. I love the Grand Waltz and the polonaises.

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Na

Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:49 pm

Boeing4ever:

Actually, there were two LOT Il-62's being named "Fryderik Chopin", one Il-62 and one Il-62M:

Il-62:
SP-LAC, the third Il-62 to be delivered to LOT, c/n 31401, delivered 24.3.1973, sold to the soviet Air Force in 1983 and re-registered CCCP-86556, operated in Aeroflot colors on behalf of the Ministry Of Defense (could not find further info on this particular aircraft and its whereabouts)

Il-62M:
SP-LBF, c/n 2343554, the sixth IL-62M to be delivered to LOT as they were replacing the original 62's with M's. Delivered 21.7.1983, withdrawn from LOT use 01.10.1991, sold to Air Ukraine in february 1992, re-registered UR-86580, withdrawn from use at Kiev airport, derelicted

Hope this was the info you was looking for. LOT seemed to take good care when giving names to their flagships these days - ALL Il-62's and 62M's are named after persons who played a great role in the polish history - artists, scientists, leader persons, and some of the names were inherited from the newer generation aircraft. Some not, partly for obvious reasons. Maybe it is a minor thing, but it does make a difference somehow - as the Il-62M's were replaced with 767's, the 767's were named after polish cities and (to my knowledge) never renamed to inherit the names of the 62's and 62M's

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:56 pm

Going back on the thread a bit, LOT never had Electras, but they did have Convair Liners and Viscounts in the sixties.

Not Fokkers, but I don't think you really meant that.....

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:32 pm

Just a bit of nostalgia ..... in 1961, this was the LOT fleet:

3 IL-18
12 IL-14
4 Convair 240
20 LI-2

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Mon Jun 16, 2003 12:41 am

Who said Napolean was from Poland? I thought he was from Corsica.

Another famous Polish Person- Copernicus, but he has a Greek name
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:39 am

Nobody said Napoleon was from Poland, but Poles see Napoleon as a hero because he tried freeing them from Russia. He even had an affair and child with a Polish countess, her name was Walewska I believe. She practically slept with him so that he would promise to make Poland a sovereign state again, after defeating the Russians. Also, he's mentioned in the Polish anthem (Dal nam przyklad Bonaparte...) so its very accurate to say that Poland has historically had strong links with France. Sort of off topic here, but Poland has one of the most interesting histories of all of Europe. If you want a condensed version of it read James A. Michner's (sp?) "Poland". It's the history of Poland told through a novel, a really good book.
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:59 am

FYI, the long haul fleet of Polskie Linie Lotnicze LOT (B767-200ER/300ER), all have names of important Polish cities.
Warszawa - the Capitol City of Poland
Krakow - the Capitol City of Poland before Warszawa
Gniezno - The first Capitol City of Poland
Poznan - can't think of why this city is important at the moment
Gdansk - An ancient port which was a gateway to the sea for the Poles. Was once taken over by the Germans


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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Mon Jun 16, 2003 1:45 pm

Going back on the thread a bit, LOT never had Electras, but they did have Convair Liners and Viscounts in the sixties.

Not Fokkers, but I don't think you really meant that.....


I did mean it...

http://www.lot.com/app/index.jsp?area=corporation_info&type=history&pub_key=8

It also mentions the delivery flight of an Electra aircraft. And this is from the Airline's official site, so I know I'm not crazy.  Big grin

LZ-TLT, thank you very much for that info! As EmiratesA345 pointed out soon after your post, LOT's 767s are indeed now named after Polish Cities. I remember reading an inflight magazine about the Poznan...while aboard the Poznan. Turns out I was on the aircraft's 3rd or 5th revenue flight.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Na

Mon Jun 16, 2003 5:49 pm

I have been to the Chopin house outside of Warsaw. It is a very nice property, and today its a museum I believe. I was 15 at the time I went their, so do not remember a lot about it.


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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:31 pm

Wow, great to know aircraft lovers discuss so much about Poland's heritage.

Now can you all come and visit Chopin connected sites in Poland?  Smile

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:20 am

Now can you all come and visit Chopin connected sites in Poland?

I'd love to Codeshare, if only I had the money. But I have been to Poland on 4 previous occasions and visited many landmarks in Poland as well as cultural sites.

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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:04 am

I'd Love to visit Poland... sometime.

It's a bit discouraging, the fact that I'm 16 and I've never left the U.S.!
 
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RE: Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?

Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:13 am

It also mentions the delivery flight of an Electra aircraft

There was a Lockheed Electra with LOT but not the L-188. The airline's site mentions a Lockheed L-14H Super Electra from 1938. Six were purchased, none of them returned to LOT after WWII.



As for the 767s, they were first given the names of Polish capitals. The other two a/c were named after other major cities in Poland. If I recall correctly, at least Gdansk and Poznan made their first landings in Poland in the cities they were named after.

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