Capt.Fantastic
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United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 12:28 pm

To the best of my knowledge, United Airlines has never served Montreal. Although they now codeshare with AC, United Airlines itself has never had scheduled flights into Montreal. All other major US Airlines: American, Delta, Northwest, US Airways have scheduled service to Montreral, and have had for quite some time. Any reason why UA never dipped into the Montreal market? Just curious ....
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 12:31 pm

United has recently started flying to Montreal from ORD, and soon if I'm not mistaken, they will operate IAD-YUL.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 1:49 pm

Correct, Crank--IAD-YUL is to be a CRJ.

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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:20 pm

UA's primary hub has always been ORD. AC has had YUL-ORD flights for years, and AA added YUL-ORD around 1990.....the market was probably not big enough for 3 carriers.

UA's other hubs (SFO and DEN) would not be able to support at most 1 daily YUL flight likely. Witness AC's short term trial with YUL-SFO/DEN.

Hence, UA's specific hub network precluded any YUL presence.

Incidently, AA is relatively new to YUL (mid-to-late 80's) as is NW.
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:54 pm

However, that's technically just United Express.
I guess united mainline doesn't have much of a reason to fly there with AC already having flights to most UA hubs and such.
Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 7:30 pm

Is Air Canada doing the ground handling for UA at YUL, or does United have their own staff there?
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Mon Jun 16, 2003 11:47 pm

United does not have any staff at YUL. There's no UA or ACA personnel to do ticketing so no one can issue MPI ticktets there, for example. AC will resissue regular revenue tickets.

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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:53 am

The new UA express CRJ service (ORD-YUL) is 3 times daily and started a month or two ago.
AA has 5 daily flights on the route (mostly F-100) while AC has 4 (mostly A-319 I believe).
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:55 am

YUL-ORD with AA started well before the mid 1990's. In the 80's, it was being operated with the morning flight (about a 9:20am departure) being a DC10 that continued onto Hawaii. AA started into YUL at least in the 70's. There are photos of their 707's at YUL in the Airliners.net database.

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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:01 am

AA serves YUL since at least 1980. I recall seeing AA DC-10 and B-720 in YUL.
NW began its YUL service later. However, Republic Airlines, which was bought by NW, was already serving YUL for some time.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:34 am

Indeed..Republic was serving Montreal for at least 25 years, my buddy at work Paride was working for them... all his gear is Republic logos all over it.

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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 6:02 am

I have an AA timetable from 1981 that shows no YUL service. So perhaps AA pulled out for a while. I do recall some fanfare in the mid-to-late 80's when AA added YUL (again I guess).

As for NW, that's true....they inherited the Republic routes but had no NW service prior to the Republic takeover in 1986.

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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 6:20 am

Here are some AA pics at YUL in 1979:

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Looks like 1981 was the lone year AA didn't serve YUL. Can that be?
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:14 am

Here is an American DC-10 at YUL in 1979. From my schedules, I know AA had flown DC-10s between YUL- ORD (of and on) until at least 1990.


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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:18 am

Montreal was one of the eight or so cities American added to its route system right after deregulation. I believe January 25, 1979 was the starting date for those new services, which was American's biggest one-day non-merger expansion up to that point.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:51 am

AA never started and left but it did fly the LGA run for a short while before it was moved over to Delta.. So technically they started and stopped YUL-LGA. They also switched onto the Miami run from Delta as well. The open skys agreement and alliance networks realigned a lot of US routes and the airlines flying them from Montreal.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:58 pm

YUL-LGA was originally with EA. The it must have moved to AA then DL.

Yup, I just checked again. My paper AA timetable for summer 81 shows no YUL.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:11 pm

Hi Yyz717,

I am surprised your timetable does not show any YUL flights. I remember that AA moved in not long after the move from YUL to YMX of all international airlines. Furthermore, the picture of a DC10 above shows a DC10 and a 707 or 720 at YUL in 1979. I am not saying that you are wrong when you say that your timetable does not show YUL flights but I must say I am a little confused. This is something worth investigating about.
 
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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:35 pm

I'm a bit surprised too. I'm 100% sure American never came and went in totality. I don't remember when they started YUL service, perhaps it was the early 80s. It's not been that long. They always flew YUL-ORD from the start but did operate a flight to San Juan (also from YYZ) for one winter season and also an LAX flight through YYZ for one summer season. LGA came after Eastern's demise as YYZ717 said but after a few months it was eventually awarded to Delta. The MIA run came after Delta gave up both FLL and MIA service from Montreal presumably to realign their alliance hub connections along with American's. The switch fitted both their needs. DFW is the latest run and is still operating.

Unfortunately United mainline has never flown here although it is nice to see United Express jets at Dorval now. Perhaps UA might join them on the ORD run over time but only if demand picks up. It's not really a triple airline route however.

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RE: United Airlines And Montreal

Tue Jun 17, 2003 10:18 pm

The YYZ-SJU and YUL-SJU began in 1987 or 88 and lasted only about 6 months.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.