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Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:08 pm

Today Danish and Norwegean newspapers report that Thai will extend three flights weekly between Bangkok and Copenhagen to Oslo. The flights will operate BKK-CPH-OSL vv. It will be possible to buy tickets for the sector CPH-OSL-CPH only meaning that Thai will compete with Star Alliance partner SAS and the low cost carrier Sterling on the route. At the same time the number of flights between Bangkok and Copenhagen will increase from five weekly flights to daily. All flights will be operated with B747-400.

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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:11 pm

Interesting, since PIA also flies this route with their 747's. I didn't know that there was such a demand for this route.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:19 pm

Any other Asian airlines planning to add Norway?
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:26 pm

Why wouldn't Thai just increase its coopetion with its Star Alliance partner on this route, i.e. code share with SAS's OSL-CPH sector? If Thai wanted to increase its preence in Scandanavia, it seems that they would be more interested in Stockholm, a much larger city (unless there's a huge Thai expat community in Oslo that I have'nt ever heard of).
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:36 pm

I guess it is more SAS that started to pick a fight with Thai than Thai trying to compete with SAS.
Up until a while ago TG flew BKK-ARN in cooperation with Star partner SAS but than SK decided to serve the route themselves and cancelled the codeshare so the idea was born in Scandinavia to compete with a "Star friend".

I think it would make more sense to serve BKK-ARN-OSL though as the flightpath would not cause to much of a touring around as ARN is just on the line between OSL and BKK.

I can not understand why they send a 747 to ARN, CPH and OSL though while they also have smaller a/c such as the MD-11 or 777.

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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:43 pm

I guess the choice of aircraft is based on the high demand on the routes from Scandinavia to Thailand. My experience is that most of the Thai flights out of CPH and ARN are fully booked. One should remember that Scandinavia is one of Thai´s primary destinations in Europe.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:19 pm

Thai have wanted to fly to Oslo for some time now, serving the growing number of Norwegian tourists going to the Far East and Australia. This will not only be an important route to Thailand, but the whole region and Oceania.

Scandinavia is Thailand's 2nd or 3rd most important European market in terms of incoming tourists. Flights out of Copenhagen and Stockholm are allready full so I guess adding Oslo make sense.

Around 1 million people fly between Oslo and Copenhagen annually, quite big market (SAS has 16 daily flights and Sterling 4).
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:34 pm

Yeah, but Thai have been talking about going daily on the BKK-CPH route (not sure about their current frequency), so if they were to continue every flight to OSL, we're talking about a capacity increase at around 100.000 a year. That's a lot, even for such a market.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:38 pm

I had heard that Northern Europe is continuing to grow in terms of passenger numbers to Southeast Asia, especially after 9/11, with vacationers opting for Chiang Mai, Phuket, etc.. It just seems odd that these two alliance "partners" would have problems as such. Whats the point of participating in an alliance if you cant engange in and therefore share, the money-making?
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:51 pm

Yes, that's true!! .....but then most of the passengers will not be local (OSL-CPH) hopefully, but continue to BKK.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:07 pm

I was really hoping for BKK-HEL-OSL but oh well... Maybe they'll come to HEL with re-configured 777-200s at some point.
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:10 pm

TG's B772s are non-IGW versions and are configured in dense seating for regional routes and thus would be a pain to fly it to Europe and it will need technical stops.

Their B773s are configured more to the industry standard and 3-3-3 abreast seating in Y class and flies to Athens. At one point, the ATH sector is extended to GVA but now it is BKK-ZRH-GVA on a B744. This plane might be able to make it to Scandinavia although I am not sure if it needs to take on load restrictions.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:32 pm

Thai flying CPH-Oslo is not different than SAS flying BKK-SIN. I have heard before they sometimes have some really good offers on that route.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:02 pm

Airbus lover,

I know that they are non-ERs but they have been doing BKK-SYD on occasion instead of the M11 on TG993/994 (4500mi). I don't know if HEL (4897mi) would be possible. These are supposed to be converted to 3-3-3 with PTVs in Y and 2-3-2 in C with nice seats.

I'm afraid that a 773 or 747 is clearly too big for HEL. I'd just love to have them to compete with AY whose service ranges from absolutely terrible to good.
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:16 pm

Did'nt TG fly to Helsinki in the 80's? they did advertise the service on the first two pages of Time and Newsweek. Can they serve HEL with the 772 via Dubai?
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:19 pm

Airmale,

Yes, they flew both 747-200s and DC10s to HEL until the early 90s. Some flights continued onto LHR.
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:27 pm

How was it possible for the TG 744 to leave ARN fully loaded while the runway wasn't even the longest before they opened the new one?
I'm not quite sure about the exact length but I think it was limited.

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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:47 pm

Thai will not have much problem getting passengers to this route. SAS is operating CPH-BKK already, but who knows for long. SAS are in serious problems at the moment. Today they announced that 500 people will be fired from their HQ i Stockholm. If SAS doesn't succesed in getting their expensives down, the company will go bankrupt according to their president Lindegaard.
And at the moment SAS has no good reputation and image in Norway. Actually - the company SAS came in second in the most "hated" companies by the Norwegians this week...only beaten by Telenor (Norwegian telecompany).
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:53 pm

Thai and other Asian airlines might be using this time to redeploy some of their planes to new routes or expanding on routes outside of Asia. The airline demand in Asia is extrordinarily low right now because of a certain disease going around (although I hear it's more under control right now). I know several people in my company alone that have cancelled business trips to Asia for the rest of this year.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Thu Jun 19, 2003 5:20 pm

And here are the slot times:
Dep. BKK 0140, arr. CPH 0725
Dep. CPH 0835, arr. OSL 0945 Monday - Thursday - Friday

Dep. OSL 1210, arr. CPH 1320 Monday - Thursday - Friday
Dep. CPH 1430, arr. BKK 0650

(local time)

OSL = Oslo, Norway
CPH = Copenhagen, Denmark
BKK = Bangkok, Thailand
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:12 pm

This is great new. And im sure this willbe the only 747 presence at OSL.
I really hope Thai canmake this route work, they have a habit of adding new cities in Europe, and dropping them not long afterwards.
 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:44 pm

Not the only B747 at OSL, we also have PIA 3 times a week from Karachi/Islamabad/Lahore, usually A310 but in the summer and Christmas they often come with their B747-300.


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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:28 pm

Did'nt Iran Air also serve Oslo with a 747SP? when did they quit the route?
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Fri Jun 20, 2003 5:02 pm

Iran Air used to fly Oslo-Larnaca-Tehran 2 years ago or so, they had a weekly frequency with B747SP.

 
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:08 am

Thai will not be a serious "competitor" on the CPH-OSL route. A majority of the well over one million pax/yr are business travellers even when they go on Y class.

What they require is morning and evening departures, on time, not the Thai noon departure. And they require extra capacity Sunday evening, Monday morning and Friday evening. The roughly 25 daily SAS and Sterling departures with MD-80s and 737s can deliver that, Thai can't.

Sterling is the low cost operator. But I wonder how successful they are. In my company it is a rule that we must use Sterling whenever possible. Many colleagues have flown Sterling only once. It is simply not attractive to stand in a check-in queue for three quarters of an hour for a 40 minutes flight, when SAS does it in right away. So we find ways to bend the rules.

Sterling is mainly a charter company. They haven't learned yet that scheduled short haul is a different business which requires punctuality and fast and reliably check-in and baggage retrieval. They just treat the pax as charter pax. Thai can hardly do it much better, probably much worse when using a 747 monster ship on a 350 miles route. Which can easily be two hours late if it encounters headwind from Bangkok.

Thai can probably not even be a serious competitor to the trains, much less the very comfu 1500 pax nightly boats between the two cities.
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RE: Thai To Fly CPH-OSL-CPH

Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:38 pm

Thai will not be a competetitor on the route OSL-CPH, but for some freaks this is perhaps the easiest...and cheapest way in order to get to fly a B747.
PIA started all their flights to Oslo by flying via CPH, but is now flying non-stop at some days (not shure what day). Perhaps we may see Thai nonstop Oslo-Bangkok with B747 in the future.

I'm not shure Sterling is doing so badly on the CPH-OSL route....considering SAS' frequent flyer program and their many flight...not to mention their history on this service. Flying between Copenhagen and Oslo/Stockholm has always been SAS best routes. After Sterling started SAS has launched low price tickets which for some years ago never would have been available. But I see your point as a business-traveller. Perhaps a card and possibilities to board by walking straight to the gate would be much better (if not having any luggage of course).

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