planenutz
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SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:45 pm

SAA's June inflight magazine lists 747SPs ZS-SPC "Maluti" and ZS-SPE "Hantam" as part of the current SAA fleet (along with 3 A340-600s, 2 A340-200s, and 2 A330s leased from BMI). Does anyone know which routes these planes operate? I understand that they were being used JNB-MXP but that this had recenly changed to 743s.
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aviasian
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:00 pm

SAA's B747SPs do come to Bangkok . . . although intermittently, they are also operating the B742 or B743.

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N754PR
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:00 pm

I saw BOTH of them on the groud at the same time in Bangkok on May 5th or 6th.
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airways
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:05 pm

According to my information, ZS-SPC came to BKK once in May because ZS-SPE broke down there the day before.

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swissgabe
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:13 pm

In the CRS ALL three weekly South African flights from JNB to BKK (on day 1/3/6) are loaded with 74Ls until mid of December 2003!

I think SAA really has lack of some aircrafts, otherwise the 74Ls would have been replaced.
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planenutz
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:44 pm

It seems that (if the inflight mag. is accurate) SAA has an exceedingly large fleet for its long-haul ops. Consider it:

744 8
743 6
742 4
74L 2
762 2
A46 3 (6 on order)
A42 2 (3 on order)
A33 2 (both leased from bmi)

That's 29 aircraft for 29 destinations outside of South Africa, the majoroty of which are not daily services, and on which 738 and 732 are used in flights to southern and eastern Africa. It seems that the 747SPs would have been retired a long time ago, especially since they dont even compare in amenities and economy offered on the other 747s and Airbus aircraft.
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lxlgu
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:02 pm

The 767s will be withdrawn by December and will be replaced by 340-200s
on the West Africa and Mumbai routes
The 340-200 will start by end July also on Sao Paulo route
The 330s from BD should be out by end November
Of course all according to delivery of aircraft
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na
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:31 pm

Well, at the moment SAAs longhaul fleet is very diverse. But thats because they´re in the middle of changing types.
The 742s and the SPs will leave very soon, probably all this year still. One 742 is already permanently retired. The A342s are an interim measure for the A343s to come. The 762 as said is also a leaving family member.
So out of the list of 8 types 3 will be gone shortterm, 1 midterm.
And the 4 types left then for longhaul are not uncommon at all.
 
SAA201
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Fri Jun 20, 2003 5:02 am

SAA only really has one B747SP in regular service, ZS-SPE. ZS-SPC is still airworthy and is only used as a backup/spare aircraft for ZS-SPE.

There are now only 2 B747-200's that are flying around fairly regularly, ZS-SAL and SAM. ZS-SAO was broken up last week and SAP hasn't flown since 14 Apr. SAN is going to the SAA Museum Society an has flown once or twice in the spare aircraft role since its farewell flypast at Rand Airport about 2 months ago.

The next A340-200 (SAA's 3rd) is due in the next two weeks with another due in August. This will effectively allow the B747-200s to be take a much deserved retirement. I see however that they are doing a few domestic and London services in about November. They will probably be kept on till the end of the peak tourist season, ie December/Jan. B747-300's will start to be retired from the fleet in the next few months too.

Yes, SAA's longhaul fleet is at an alltime peak at the moment, but this is just an interim pending the delivery of more Airbuses. The plan is for all the B747 "classics" to be phased out of the fleet by about Feb next year.
 
na
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:52 pm

SAA starts retiring B743s soon as well? That´s surprising as they are only little more than half-age of the 742s!
 
swissgabe
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Fri Jun 20, 2003 6:22 pm

Well, for me there was not a "big difference" inside the 74L and the 743. I mean both planes are old, one more then the other, but still, both are old and will be replaced by modern aircrafts.
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SAA201
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:35 am

The provisional phase out schedule for the B747-300's is as follows:

RETIRE ZS-SKA B747-300 16 AUG 2003 (EX-SWISS AIR)

RETIRE ZS-SKB B747-300 20 AUG 2003 (EX-SWISSAIR)

RETIRE ZS-SAT B747-300 15 OCT 2003

RETIRE ZS-SAC B747-300 DEC 2003

RETIRE ZS-SAU B747-300 DEC 2003

RETIRE ZS-SAJ B747-300 FEB 2004


 
N754PR
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:27 am

Wow, I was VERY lucky to see the SP's in Bangkok then.
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vambridge
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:07 pm

What will be the fate of these 300's? Will some of them be sold, or are some of them already reserved for other carriers?
 
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:18 pm

NW already has 2 ex-swissair 743s, which they used for engines and spares. Both airframes had been parked since 1998(?) and had well over 80,000 hours on them at that time. It is not inconcievable that these SAA birds will have closer to 100,000 on them, which seems to be the magic number in scrapping 747s. They may have a few hajj charters left in them if sold to another operator, but they have way too few airframe hours left for cargo conversion. As NW is trying to phase out its 742 fleet, and has already disposed of its DC-10-40s, I doubt that they would pick up any more 743s for engines, unless of course it converts some of its newest pax 742s to freighters, which it already has a dozen of.

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gigneil
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RE: SAA's 747SPs

Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:05 am

I think the word is that NW's newest 742s will definitely be converted to freighters. IndustrialPate can probably lend more guidance to the subject.

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