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Frontier Update

Fri Jun 20, 2003 2:02 pm

So far for this month, Frontier has a 72.2% load factor. Compare that to last year, when it was 62.5% at this time. Also, the stock is continuing to rise...up to $9.87 per share now. These are pretty good signs that things are looking up for the airline. The costs will continue to go down as the older Boeing's are retired and the new A318/319's are brought in. More expansion is on the horizon...the previously announced MKE and SNA of course...new cities in Mexico...and a few other "exotic" places down the road. The new Fall schedule will be announced pretty soon, which will feature more frequencies to some of the higher load-factor cities in the F9 system.

Overall, this Summer is turning out to be a great one for Frontier. I'd expect a new aircraft within the next few months, possibly taking a "step up" in the Airbus family.  Smile

That's all from F9 land for now.


 
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RE: Frontier Update

Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:22 pm

How are the pre-sales for MKE going? Three flights a day seems ambitious. I just switched my UA MileagePlus VISA to F9 Mastercard. Go Frontier!!
 
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RE: Frontier Update

Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:23 pm

Okay, guessing is the best game, and you've got me scratching my head about the "exotic" destinations.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

In another post, you suggested it might be somewhere in the Caribbean. But almost anywhere there would require "overwater" capability - life rafts and life jackets - which F9 doesn't presently have.

The exception might be the Bahamas.....

If it is to be overwater, then I'd go for the US Virgin Islands or Jamaica. I suppose Puerto Rico, but every airline and his dog flies there these days.

The only western Caribbean destnation I can think of (except Mexico and which wouldn't require overwater) would be Belize. But there is enough traffic for that?

I'm not looking for an answer (I like to guess), but if you've got another clue you want to throw at me......

Anyhoo, thanks for the update.

cheers

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:12 am

I'm not sure of the presales to MKE, but I'll snoop around today and see what I come up with. Personally, I thought 2 flights/day would be good for MKE...but you never know.

And about the "exotic" destinations....those routes would require a "step up" in the Airbus family, which is something they are looking into.

I can tell you, personally, I have promoted a DEN-MSY-SJU route flown twice weekly with an A319...I've gotten some positive responses...so we'll just see how things play out.


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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:13 am

Steve,

Not to burst your bubble, but Frontier just signed the lease on gate F2 and F10 in Ft. Lauderdale..........................................

FLL is also the only station in Florida with an over wing F9 staff... all the other cities are contracted out.

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:24 am

Good for Frontier, I hope they grow. They are definitely a good airline. Is there a chance of DEN-BOS route being brought back?

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:50 am

An-225:

I think all Frontier fans would be pleased to see a return of DEN/BOS.

It's been rumored, but there is a shortage of gate space in BOS. When Terminal A is back in service, I'd hope to see F9 back at Logan. Maybe before.

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:22 am

Steve,

just to clarify. The airport user agreement has been changed so that F9 controls both F2 and F10, in other words F9 has the priority on both gates (so if AA needs to use it, they can as long as F9 doesn't need it..), but means that no other airline can come in and use it as their own...

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:39 am

Why doesn't Frontier focus on getting their flights in and out on time? I've completed 22 flights on Frontier and I would say that 60% of them have been more than 15 minutes late. Frontier has an especially difficult time with PHX. I no longer fly Frontier for business trips for this reason.
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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 5:01 am

I just spoke with an F9 pilot last Friday about the upcoming A318s and F9's first revenue flight title they will claim. He said they are all very excited about the "shortbus" and it is an honor to be performing the first rev flight.

All in all, we had a good talk. . .as I always do with F9 staff.

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 6:19 am

I've been on about 20 or so F9 flights out of PHX, LAS, DEN, FLL, TPA, MCO, ATL, MCI, etc.. and I have only had one delay due to weather.

PHX may get more delays than normal because it's a maintenance base... they don't release a plane until its fixed (and us being aviation buffs should appreciate that..)

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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 6:39 am

Hi all do you think Frontier will ever serve cities like Moline Illinois, Cedar Rapids Iowa or Peoria Illinois? I sure hope so because it would be the only airline with the bigger airline Jets
 
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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:28 am

B777UA:

What do you call a 717? That's not an RJ. Moline is served by FL, Bloomington is too. Unfortunately, I don't think Peoria or Cedar Rapids will see a whole lot of "Big Jet" service from any carrier. The markets are simply too small.

Also:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the A318/19/20 have a range of over 3000nm? Wouldn't that mean that they can fly DEN-SJU n/s? I'm not 100% sure that SJU is less than 3000nm from DEN, but it seems like it's right about that distance...

Anyway, I'm hoping you're right and F9 is doing well. I don't want LCCs to be limited to WN, FL, TZ, and Spirit. Oh, yeah. YX has "Super Saver" service snicker!.
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RE: Frontier Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:00 pm

Elwood64151:

Yes, the A320 family has the range to reach some of the Caribbean islands from Denver. But at this stage, F9 aircraft aren't fitted with overwater capability (life rafts, vests, etc.).

The DEN/CUN flight follows the coastline around the northern Gulf of Mexico, for example.

F9 is certainly going for more "exotic" destinations - and several of those destinations tie in with cruise lines.They're making a splash about "Frontier Cruises" on the website (with some great FF miles deals).

So someday I would guess that some of the fleet will be fitted for overwater.

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