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LGB Update

Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:51 pm

Main highlights.....

1. America West lost one of thier slots and LGB will draw straws to see who will get it. (AA, B6, or AS)

2. Preliminary (the study won't actually be completed until Sep 31) studies by an *independent* noice consultant predicts that no new slots will be created.

---Also the article has an error. It says that we (B6) are yet to use our last slot for a JFK flight. We actually started that flight last week.

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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:47 am

Being a share holder with B6 I would like to see them receive it and also get more slots, tho I think IMHO - that LGB both wants the service and the great rates, just NIMBY is what the problem is.
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:08 am

A few other salient tidbits from the article:

1. The city is raising parking rates at LGB significantly - from 20-50% for most of the close-in parking areas. While parking at LGB will still be cheaper than at LAX, it will be more expensive than at BUR.

2. "The noise studies, both done by the city and Mestre Greve, can fluctuate because of late night flights those landing or taking off after 10 p.m. that will automatically add multiple units of noise as a penalty, said Airport Manager Chris Kunze."

"But Kunze refused to project what either study would show if airlines found a way to eliminate those violations. JetBlue Airways in particular has consistently logged penalties under the ordinance for landing or taking off after 10 p.m."

That's not entirely surprising given that they have four flights scheduled to depart between 9:20 PM and 9:50 PM; if the 9:50 flight to ATL is delayed by more than a couple of minutes (baggage, security screening delays, traffic delays on the inbound flight, etc.), it's going to be taking off after 10:00 PM given the time needed to complete pre-flight checklists and taxi to the end of the runway. Having two flights scheduled to arrive at 9:45 PM and 9:50 PM doesn't exactly help matters either.

It's pretty clear, though, that the tight scheduling between 9 and 10 PM required for operating red-eye transcons (i.e. an 8:30 PM departure from LGB to JFK puts you in before 5 AM, which isn't terribly desirable) was going to pose some operational challenges; it will continue to do so if B6 tries to add more red-eyes from LGB.

FYI, the monthly noise reports from LGB can be found at:

3. The TSA plans to cut the number of screeners at LGB by nearly 55%; even with a less drastic cut, more inconvenience due to security lines is likely.
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:41 am

LGB still have that open-air obs deck with tables & chairs?
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:58 am

Ah yes but on the lost America West slot, they have 90 days from when they stop using it before it becomes open for grabs.
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:25 am

Couldn't HP use one or more of the commuter slots for their RJ's to PHX to make up for the loss on the mainline slot?
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:00 am

LGB Photos,
HP has has been down to 4 daily flights for a while now. All flights are either CR7s or CR9s. However I'm pretty sure both types are to heavy for the commuter slots. The upcoming EMB 190 is too large as well. Rumor at the airport are that Horizon is going to come in with the props and take up some of the regional slots.

The observation deck is now considered a restricted area.
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:09 am

If Horizon were to use props, where would they fly? Bay area? PDX and SEA seem too far for the Dash Q400 though I was just on one last week and they are very comfortable

RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 5:59 am

Actually, if you are 74,999 lbs, you can use the commuter slots, 75,001 and you need a slot. From what i have heard, HP has been using both of those numbers on the crj700 depending on what slot they want to use. the 900 is too heavy and uses a regular slot. Isn't the RON a A319? I have heard that Horizon wants to use the Dash 8-400 but I don't think that will happen until AS comes in and then those will be used to Portland. Horizon has had a lot of mechanical problems with the crj700 and wants to keep them closer to home, from what I hear.
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RE: LGB Update

Sat Jun 21, 2003 9:07 am

HP's RON has been a CR7 for a few weeks now.

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