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American's A300 Fleet

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:10 pm

How much longer does AA plan on keeping the A300 fleet around. It just seems overdue for retirement, only because DL and CO got rid of theirs long ago. I know they probably have some more years with the carrier. Anybody know?

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AA A300s

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:23 pm

I don't know the answer to your question; but don't compare AA's A300s with Delta's A310s and Continental's A300s. American's are newer A300-600 variants whereas Continental had the old 70s era A300B4 and B2s. If I'm not mistaken the American Airbus fleet fills the carribbean niche quite nicely; especially since they are not old aircraft.
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:39 pm

I guess it just baffles me how some airlines have such a variant of fleet types. Why not cut the A300 and use the 763 or 777? The 300 has to be an expensive guy to maintain and whatnot. What is so special about the A300 that they use it solely on those Carribbean and Miami flights? I'm not being sarcastic, just asking because I do not know.

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:51 pm

The reason the A300 was ordered and is still used on the Caribbean routes is its large cargo capacity, much more than the 757 or 767. The 777's would be too big for the Caribbean routes, so the A300 fits perfectly and is a profitable addition to the AA fleet.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:43 pm

this topic is up again this week??? As Britair says , one reason is the cargo capacity. AA hauls a lot of cargo to the Caribbean (including stuff I ship there several times per week, via AA).
The A-300-600 are great work horses for just this kind of route. They make a ton of money for AA, and trhey are not that old. The last ones came on in 92 or 93 as I recall (specifics anyone??help!)

Any speculation as to when the repacement, and what it might be is years premature. My bet is that those will be on the property until at least 2012-2015.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:13 pm

Doesn't AA's A300's carry more passengers than the 763, but less than the 777?

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:11 am

AA still uses the A300 into MCO- once from MIA early in the morning and from SJU around 11:30am.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:32 am

American has an A300 flight from MCO-MIA. Talk about a quick ride on a big jet. I was thinking about non revving on one of those flights just to get a ride on one. Still to this day have never flown on an airbus product.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 1:20 am

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:17 am

AA's 300s must be all economy then if they're carrying more than the 777.

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:58 am

Again, AA and the A300s.

The A300s are still in the fleet because AA has a great leasing deal for these aircraft, they are ideal for the medium haul carib and latin american flites that they operate, with lots of pax and cargo capacity, and low their operating costs. The A300 is simply better suited for a MIA-SJU run than a 777 which is too big, or a 763 which makes much more sense on a longer-haul segment. Although a bit out-of -style, the A300 is a unique aircraft for markets where you want to move a lot of passengers and cargo on a 1000-3000 mile segment with maximum effeciency.

The AA A300s carry a lot of pax due to their seating configuration: a small first or business class cabin (depending on the route) with a domestic-type first class seat and pitch that does not take much room, and lots of coach seats. The 777 and 763, more geared to longer-haul routes, have large first class and business class cabins which eat up lots of room.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 3:13 am

I think eventually AA will (or possibly is) look towards either the 757-300, 767-400 or a combination of both to replace the A300.

What they loose in cargo capacity they gain in other areas such as fleet commanality, which reduces pilot a maintence costs.
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 3:20 am

Bmacleod:-

Not really.. It is 2 class. In 2 Class a B772 can easily carry up to 330 pax.

But in AA 777 config they are 3 class in very luxurious seatings esp in F and J.

The AA A300s are two class IIRC and do not feature those new J classes.

TG for example has A300-600s that haul up to 260 pax in 2 class.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 3:44 am

In recent years, B738 and B757 have overtake quite a bit of AB6 flying. There’s no doubt that many of the routes retaining the AB6 need the cargo capacity more than the passenger capacity, and the B767 is not a suitable replacement. If AA truly wanted to replace the AB6, they would have done so several years ago. IMO, they’re here for the long run (probably another ten years).
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:15 am

I wonder if they will look at the A330-200 as a A300-600R replacement before too long? Obviously not straight away, but in the medium to long term. That would be a lovely sight too see!
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:18 am

I think the dealings with Airbus after the tragedy of AA flight 587 have precluded AA from ever dealing with Airbus again, not because of the aircraft persay but because of the dealings with Airbus the company.

And their insistance on blaming AA and it's pilots and mechanics rather than the obvious, the structural failure which led to the tail coming off in flight.
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:19 am

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:33 am

As for the replacement of the A300, its unlikely that AA would buy the A330, but as we have all learned in the airline business, never say never. The last thing that AA needs at the moment is more wide-body, long range aircraft; its already unclear how AA will utilize the 777s and 763s that it still has on order and will be delivered in the coming years. The last 763 order was made to replace the TWA mismatched fleet of 763s (which also had PW engines instead of the GE engines that AA selected)that AA inherited, but those new aircraft are not really necessary as AA seems to have little interest in continuing long-haul service out of STL and would rather send its Europe/Hawaii pax on flites via ORD or DFW, but that is another story.

When AA decides to phase the A300 out of service, look for 777s to take over the routes that require the most capacity, 763s to fly the longer-haul segments, and 757s to take over whatever is left, including any and all US domestic segments still served by the A300s, such as some JFK-MIA flights.

At some point, a few years off, if the airlines recover from the current continuing downturn and only if traffic numbers and yeilds take off so that airlines can start making some real money again, AA could be interested in one type to replace the A300 and B762 fleets, that could be something like the 764, more 777s or an airliner, like the larger versions of the 7E7, which is not yet on the market.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:25 am

The bottom line is cargo $$$. What I have been told from very reliable sources is that the 300 holds more cargo than anything else they have, (with the possible exception of the 777) and they make most of their money in the Carribbean on the cargo.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:27 am

I think the 7E7 would make the most sense for any AA replacement of the A300-600R... especially if Boeing does intend to market a shorter range version of the plane.

I don't see them going with the A330. It's a tidge too big, especially in the 2 class domestic config they fly the A300 in. A 332 configured the same way is easily a 300 passenger plane, as we see over at QF.

I certainly don't see them putting on the 763 or getting the 764.


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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:50 am

The A300 is an awesome airplane. I love working on them. I had never flown on one until I became an International F/A. I was nervous my first time because of what happened on flight 587. Now I really like them. They're so roomy inside. When I went through purser training we got to take a tour of the cargo holds and avionics room (don't ask me why). But its huge down there.
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:15 am

While A330s in AA livery would indeed be a beautiful sight.... I highly doubt that AA is keen to do any sort of new business with Airbus, not after the fingerpointing resulting from AA587.

Similar, but inverse, to US and Boeing's relationship after the 'mysterious' crash of US427.
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 10:06 am

This topic has been recycled more times than Shirley McLane. American's A300 fleet (34, one was lost operating AA 587 November 12th, 2001 near JFK) are all A300-600 variants, not the RB4 versions operated by Eastern Air Lines in the 1970's and 1980's and Continental subsequently, through 1994. Delta's A310 fleet were -200's and -300's. The A300 serves AMR well. The plane has a much larger cargo capacity than the 757 and 767 and as such are in high demand for lift to and from the Caribbean and Northern Latin America. The first A300-600 entered service with AA in 1988 so the planes are less than 15 years old. American's 767-200 fleet by comparison is older.

The A300's are no longer used on North Atlantic routes, but 8 were converted to three class cabin layout in 1997 to operate MIA-MAD, EWR-LHR, BOS-CDG, BOS-LHR/LGW and two or three of the JFK-LHR frequencies as there was a shortage of 767-200/300 aircraft in the fleet and the 777's did not begin to arrive until 1999.

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 10:55 pm

We can sum up the reason why AA is hanging on to the A300B4-600R fleet: Caribbean and northern South American flights from JFK and MIA. People forget that passengers flying between JFK/MIA and SJU tend to carry a HUGE amount of luggage, and these passengers are more than willing to pay the excess baggage charges on these flights. Because of the AB6's large cargo capacity using LD3 containers, AA can accommodate these passengers easily; this is why TWA's JFK-SJU flights with the 757-200 failed, because passengers on the TW flights couldn't carry as much excess baggage as they could on the AA flights.
 
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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Sun Jun 22, 2003 11:10 pm

FWIW, the newly reconfigured A300's without MRTC seat 267 pax, I believe.

The 330 wouldn't be a good fit for the current use simply because it's designed for too much range -- AA is now flying nothing more than about 2,000nm -- so the 330 would be lugging around that giant wing and structure for no good reason.

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:46 am

There's only about 3 rows on Business on the A300, the rest is coach.

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RE: American's A300 Fleet

Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:57 am

AA won't buy the 763 to replace the A300, because by the time they will retire them, the 763 won't be far behind.
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