timz
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Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:50 am

I woulda thought this would be a hot topic here-- but searched for "Lipinski" and got nothing. Did I misspell?

Anyway, Congressman Lipinski (from Illinois?) wants beyond-perimeter DCA slots to be flown only by US-built airliners (with an exception for RJs). Talk about a can of worms!
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:04 am

First of all, that is childish. I could be entirely wrong, but this seems like a try to press on this battle with France and Germany for not supporting the war in Iraq. Lipinski might be thinking that if those countries can't have their aircraft fly into an airport that gets a good number of flights, then airlines won't buy their aircraft. Notice that most RJs in the US are either Canadian or Brazilian (Canadair, Embraer). I know Canada did not support the war and I don't know about Brazil, but the US government never made a big deal about the stand that Canada took on the war. Obviously Canada's and maybe Brazil's stance on the issue did not bother the US government as much France and Germany's, likely due to the fact that Canada and Brazil were not members of the UN security council, so did not carry as much power in the whole thing. Canada and Brazil's airplane manufacturers get away in the end with this proposed bill. France and Germany's does not.

As I said, that could be completely and entirely wrong and have nothing to do with this congressman's motivation to put forth such a bill. I just look at what limited information has been provided for us and it just screams to me what I just wrote up above.

Anyway, moving on from my ranting and raving. Whatever the motivation for this bill, it can't help the US airlines. Northwest, UAL, and US all fly significant numbers of Airbus aircraft. It just creates one more problem for them, as well as other, smaller operators of Airbus aircraft that fly into this airport. Planes would need to be realocated and different types would have to be placed on the route and maybe another aircraft would not suit that route as well. What I know about alocation of aircraft can fit on the head of a pin, so that might be totally wrong too, but it seems like a logical problem to me.

What is the motivation for this and why is DCA the airport in question?

If you find anything Timz, will you put a link? I'll do the same.

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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:07 am

Sorry, I forgot about Fokker, but AA is the only major operator of this type in the US. Maybe the motivation for this bill is somewhere else entirely, but with Fokkers being such rare types in the US, I still wonder. Please propose other motivations though so other users and I can consider them.

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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:13 am

Would this Congressman perhaps be in the back pocket of a certain American aircraft manufacturer? Can't think of any headquartered in Illinois.....hmm......
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:19 am

However it does add to the gradually increasing evidence that the old historical rule is proving right once again - dominant powers don't get murdered, they commit suicide. This man is a legislator in the most powerful nation ever. If only 51% of them are that stupid, then it's only a matter of time..........
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:23 am

But I was wondering: is this news to everybody here? I happened to see it in Aviation Daily and was surprised I'd seen no mention of it here.
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:52 am

No mention of this in this three-year-old letter:
http://www.house.gov/lipinski/wh_000531.htm
When did Boeing move to Chicago?
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:59 am

Typical political hot air. A relatively unknown Congressman trying to get his name noticed with another patriotic sounding but utterly meaningless "campaign". Only a complete moron would actually buy into the logic of this argument but it sounds good on the news. The Congressman himself probably knows such an absurd proposition would never actually pass. As for France, Germany and the great power suicide theory. A great point was made.

Ive lost count of just how many times those "Great Powers" France and Germany have fallen on their own swords. We can manage quite nicely without the help of these two "great friends", politically, economically and militarily. There is no need for bone headed Governmental rhetoric from the U.S. especially in the aerospace sector. The EU provides enough already. Before you flame me I am not a Boeing fan or supporter. I am a lifelong Douglas fan. It is shameful that first McDonnell and then Boeing so neglected the potential of Douglas' commercial line. I am quite grateful that Airbus is around to keep Boeing honest and at least somewhat innovative. If it werent for Airbus we might still be seeing 707's and 727's rolling off the Boeing lines instead of the 777, 737NG and other future designs now on the boards.

I apologize for digressing. Some issues (government and France in particular) just get under my skin.
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:07 pm

So, will restaurants at DCA only be allowed to serve "freedom fries" now?

I voted for Gore. Will I be allowed to use DCA or am I relegated to BWI? (Dulles was a GOP Secretary of State).

If I fly a foriegn made aircraft, will my name go on Ashcroft's "Potential Detainee" list?

Can I not cook bratwurst on the Fourth of July, or would I be considered a potential threat?

What about Hamburgers? Named after a city in a soveriegn nation that refuses to goosestep (of all things) to the Bush Administration's New World Order. Perhaps they should be renamed Liberty Patties, so we don't all end up in Guantanamo for eating them.









Next up: STL-OAK-RNO-LAS-ICT-STL
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:21 pm

This has nothing to do with the French/ German backlash within the US, after 9-11 during the creation of the legislation of the airline recovery act (or whatver it was called) some members of Congress tried to introduce language which would have required any airline that received help from the aide package would be required to only "buy American".

Meaning no more Airbus orders.

That made more sense than this does, but that proposal was withdrawn very quickly as this one will.

The Representives in Congress are only trying to bring jobs to their home districts, that's why they were elected.

Now if something like this was approved by the House or Senate then maybe there would be something to talk about, but it's only an idea floating around.
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:53 pm

This is just a stupid, meaningless statement made by some idiot who wants to be seen red, white, and blue. Typical politician.

hmmm .... What about all the congressman and senators who fly back home from DCA on all those Airbuses ... I smell impeachment!

OR how about UAL (based in Chicago) who snubbed Boeing and opted for A320/19s?

Perhaps US Airways will be mandated to change its name to "Frenchie"

Pleeeaasssseeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

That congressman needs to be smacked with an Airbus side-stick. Any A.net people in Illinois? .. If so, go to work!

 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 1:59 pm

This is the stupidiest things I have heard from a long time, maybe since a girl at class said ("Why dont they put a lander on the sun, just do it at night").

Aviation is probably the most globalized business there is, over 40% of every Airbus is made in the U.S. and over 50% of every Boeing is made outside the U.S.

Greetings to that diphead, get a life please. Do something sane. Retire.

The problem with [mankind] is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:41 pm

Repeat after me:

"The land of the free........."
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:06 pm


I already suggested earlier that "hamburgers" should be re-named "execution burgers", more in line with the present leadership. ("freedom patties" aren't a good option, since that might cause people to reminesce the freedoms rescinded by Bush)

More on-topic, is there still a US law according to which a merchant ship carrying cargo between two US ports has to be built in the US?
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:12 pm

While I don't agree with this idea, I truly love how people from far away places are getting out of control over this. It is always interesting to see people from Eastern Bloc Europe or Downunder raging on and on about how bad President Bush is. Last time I checked you didn't live here.
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:16 pm

Um, Congressman, Airbus aircraft have 40 percent U.S.-made components!
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:36 pm

Since Boeing plans to create a special company for the 7E7, have 40 to 45% of Japaneese parts, and have the assembly line outside of the US, I consider this 7E7 should be banned too.  Wink/being sarcastic
The A380 in comparaison, will maybe be more american than that....  Nuts
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:39 pm

This is some of the worst legislation ever proposed. It would harm consumers and airlines.
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:41 pm

Repeat after me:

"The land of the free...As long as you do not upset anyone else..."
Sir, don't you think we should turn on the runway lights?" "No, that's just what there expecting us to do!"
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:45 pm

Before the Euros and American lefties go to far, if this legislation were actually enacted i(which it probably won't) it would simply be a variation of the "slots-at-CDG-with-Airbus-purchase" racket that has apparently been run for years.
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:26 am

Definately. Everyone that is hopping mad about this proposal never seems to say anything about how the European governments have been pushing Airbus for years. While I don't think this is the way to go, something needs to be done in order to level the playing field.
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:44 am

Effective immediately, all foreign-made cars will be banned from the Capitol Hill parking lot!
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:54 am

@ Joni: yes, this law is the Jones Act, it states that US cargo has to be carrier between US ports by ships being build in the US, operated by a US shipping company and has to be manned by a US crew. This applies to all cabotage traffic. Protectionismn its finest art... The land of the free...

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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:06 am

I voted for Gore. Will I be allowed to use DCA or am I relegated to BWI? (Dulles was a GOP Secretary of State).

Actually you will be relegated to the Greyhound Bus.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:22 pm

Someone should whack this Congress member (figuratively) upside on the head over this issue.

After all, some 35 to 40 percent of parts of an Airbus airliner comes from American aerospace companies, and Boeing's widebody airliners have a large fraction of its components shipped in from Japan. Besides, some companies in the EADS (which owns Airbus) group supply components to Boeing, and Boeing in turn supplies some parts to Airbus airliners.

After all, given that LH plans to install Boeing's Connexion broadband Internet system on much of its fleet, that means we'll see Connexion installed on LH's A330-200, A340-300, A340-600 and A380-800 fleet.

Sheesh.  Angry
 
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RE: Congressman: Only US-blt A/c For DCA Slots?

Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:08 am

OzarkD9S,

That's fine if you don't like Republicans, but did you realize that Lipinski is a Democrat? (Self proclaimed "Party Loyalist") He is the third highest ranking Dem on the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure.

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