BestWestern
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Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:28 am

Latest OAG data for July points to Delta falling from second to fifth largest carrier accross the atlantic, having cut 52 daily flights alongside capacity from downsizing to the 763 from the MD11.

In all, European carriers now hold 56% of the capacity, with US carriers holding 40%

American airlines have overtaken them as largest US trans-atlantic carrier, and third largest, after BA (first) and LH (second)

Delta have cut rotations at LGW, FRA, MXP, CDG and FCO, and capacity at many more outstations.

BA have added 83 more frequencies, with LH 109. EI have added an additional 30 frequencies.
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JAL777
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:30 am

I thought CO would win that award.
 
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carri

Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:32 am

CO has never really been that high up there.

Delta used to have a seriously massive transatlantic schedule.... something like 26 transatlantic destinations.

CO will still be lower than UA, as well...

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:38 am

That data probably reflects May when Delta made major cuts to their schedule. But nearly all those flights were restored, so I'm sure data from June/July forward will show Delta regaining the #1 spot.
 
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:59 am

Last I checked, CO was well ahead of both AA and UA for transatlantic destinations served, and only one city behind DL.
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carri

Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:01 am

Its not measured in terms of destinations... but frequency and pax carried.

And really I think just pax carried.

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:31 am

I don't know off hand where CO stands, but. . .I was at EWR a couple weeks ago during a layover and man, I just soaked up all the Euro-bound Continental flights taking off one after another. There was a mess of 762s and 764s and I loved every minute of it. Of course, it was mid-evening during a Continental "rush" of outbounds.

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:39 am

Yes, results for June and July will show that Delta once again is the largest transatlantic carrier because they restored JFK to many destinations.

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carri

Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:45 am

Thanks for the news Bestwestern, very interesting.

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:47 am

Where, which Web site, can I get the raw data?
 
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 9:21 am

What European destinations are served by Delta from JFK? What about from Atlanta?
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:26 am

DL European cities served from JFK:
Paris
Rome
Milan
Nice
Amsterdam
Madrid
Barcelona
Moscow
Athens
Istanbul
Frankfurt
Brussels
Venice
727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
 
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:31 am

From ATL, Delta serves the following:

MAD
LGW
MAN
DUB
SNN
CDG
FRA
MUC
STR
BRU
AMS
ZRH
MXP
FCO

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 12:48 pm

Thanks for the info, flyguy1 and airplanetire.
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:34 pm

Isn't VCE still on the list from JFK?
 
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:53 pm

The information I show is for July scheduled capacity and includes all non-stop flights between western Europe and USA.

Since you are asking the top carrier rank is as follows are % figures are change in capacity over July 2002.
BA +5.9%
LH +11.1%
AA +5.6%
DL -11.7%
UA -25.0%
AF +6.8%
VS +14.2%
CO -3.4%
NW -11.5%
US +9.7%
LX -1.4%
SK +7.6%
AZ +7.7%
EI +24.6%
IB -7.7%
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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:23 am

Where did you get the above information from? I don't understand why Delta's capacity is so decreased so much from last year considering that they have only closed one route, CVG-FCO. And the MD-11 disposal shouldn't have resulted in that mcuh capacity, or maybe I'm wrong. But whatever.......


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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carri

Wed Jul 02, 2003 4:03 am

During the Iraq war, Delta cut a lot of its flights out of JFK, due to the slow travel demand. DUring this period, they rerouted everyone through ATL (if feasible), or a SkyTeam partner's hub.

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RE: Delta No Longer Largest US Transatlantic Carrier

Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:03 am

The Delta numbers for July are more than 11% lower than July 2002 primarily because of the MD11 disposals. The M11s were configured for 253-262 pax. whereas the 763ERs replacing them seat between 185 and 194 pax. That's quite a hefty decrease on some routes. While the number of BizElite seats has not decreased much (46-47 on the ERs vs. 47-49 on the M11s), the number of Economy seats have been reduced quite a bit on those affected routes (from 206-214 on the M11 in Y to 138-147 in Y on the ERs).