wirraway
Posts: 1294
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2001 4:32 am

Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 6:30 am

News Com au

Qantas wheel on fire, two hurt
July 2, 2003

TWO passengers were slightly injured after a Qantas jumbo jet made an emergency landing and was evacuated at Sydney airport this morning.

Police said the right hand side wheel of QF6 from Singapore caught fire and passengers were evacuated down the emergency chute.

"The plane was evacuated using the chute, all the passengers came down the chute," she said.

"Two passengers sustained injuries during that procedure, one has been taken to Prince of Wales Hospital," she said.

All the passengers were undergoing "disaster victim register" to ensure everybody has been accounted for, she said.
====================================================
 
wirraway
Posts: 1294
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2001 4:32 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 6:35 am

from YSSY Message board

Morning all,

Shortly after 5am this morning at Sydney Airport, Qantas 6 VH-OJU arrived from Singapore. The 747 landed very heavily on the runway thus causing a fire in the two left brake mains.

An emergency was declared. QF6 was assigned Bay 33 and pulled up just short of the gate when all the emergency slides were deployed and a full evacuation of the aircraft occurred. It seems that operations went well and all pax were evacuated safely and directed to the terminal.

Apparently there were numerous amounts of Fire Vehicles, Police Rescue Vehicles, APS and other service vehicles surrounding the 747 as the below gear area was sprayed with foam.

 
sccutler
Posts: 5578
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:16 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 8:27 am

You know, of course, that this event never happened.

Ask Dustin Hoffman.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
QANTASpower
Posts: 515
Joined: Sat Aug 17, 2002 3:07 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:11 am

Scuttler,

QF evacuated people as a precautionary measure demonstrating once again their 100% commitment to passenger safety. This was a very minor incident. Please lets not blow it out of proportion.

Qantas has never lost a passenger in the jet age.

Regards

QFP
 
wirraway
Posts: 1294
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2001 4:32 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:32 am

YSSY Message Board
Kurt Ums Wrote:

I've heard further. The fire didn't start from the initial impact of the 747 on the runway. All ops were normal until the aircraft taxiied to its gate. An engineer was conducting a walk-around of the QF 747 when he saw smoke from the gear bay and reported an emergency.

Passengers were already de-boarding the aircraft through the front left door when it was announced in the cabin that all remaining pax were to exit via the slides.

All 5 injuries reported were slide associated. Nothing serious. I'm sure the wet weather played a part however
 
POSITIVE RATE
Posts: 2121
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:31 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:51 am

Was that a 747-400? I wonder what caused the heavy landing. If the fire didn't start straight away then perhaps it was caused by excessive braking.
 
Floris
Posts: 216
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2003 10:15 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:18 am

This is so funny:

"The plane was evacuated using the chute. All 5 injuries reported were slide associated."

And then:

"This was a very minor incident."
"Nothing serious"

I wonder if Qantaspower and Wirraway would react in the same way if they or there loved ones would have been on the plane and would have gotton injured.

An evacuation via the chute is never a minor incident in my humble opinion!
 
don
Posts: 251
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2003 4:44 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:10 am

The brakes don't get overheated and catch fire just for heavy landings.

This is pure (educated) speculation on my part but It is probably because the crew had to land with a tail wind with a high landing weight. (ATC will give them the best RWY for noise prevention that early in the morning and that RWY may have a tail wind.) The heavy landing (upto a point of course) is safer than a soft touchdown in those conditions.
 
QFTJT
Posts: 254
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:56 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:22 am

(Educated speculation)

The aircraft landed before the curfew and was not allowed to use reverse thrust, or full reverse. High brake temperatures that caused the fire, may have been due to excessive barking in the absence of reverse thrust???
 
AJ
Posts: 2295
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 1999 3:54 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:43 pm

Excessive barking? - I leave that alone.

Brakes often smoke, and sometimes spark after landing.
I am sure the crew would not evacuate the aircraft unless they were on good advise.
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6688435%255E27477,00.html
 
tekelberry
Posts: 1309
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 6:37 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:53 pm

They could have easily evacuated via stairs. That way, NO ONE would have gotten hurt.
 
syncmaster
Posts: 1926
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:55 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 1:04 pm

Qantas has the upmost concern for passenger safety, it kills me to see people say they shouldn't have used the chutes, 5 people getting minor injuries, is nothing compared to the 347 people on board. For god sakes, even though it was only a landing gear, the plane was STILL ON FIRE.

Qantas has never lost a passenger, and had no intent to start now.
 
AJ
Posts: 2295
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 1999 3:54 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 1:05 pm

What stairs? Are you suggesting that everyone should have waited for stairs to be obtained, driven to the aircraft and positioned at a door? To use the slides the Captain must have wanted his passengers off the aircraft immediately!
 
syncmaster
Posts: 1926
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:55 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 1:07 pm

Exactly AJ, I agree. There was a reason, and it was a damn good one too.
 
AWspicious
Posts: 2780
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:47 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 1:08 pm

Bit off topic, but, I noticed the reg # was stated for the Singapore-Sydney aircraft. I'm wondering how would I obtain the reg# of the SYD-LAX flight on Sat. 29th. Aug.?
Thanks.

A.W.
Nevermind political correctness - Envision using your turn signals!
 
chrisrad
Posts: 963
Joined: Tue Dec 05, 2000 7:26 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 2:56 pm


From
ninemsn.com.au

An aircraft evacuation chute appeared to have malfunctioned during the emergency evacuation of a Qantas jumbo jet in Sydney early Wednesday, an airport chief said.

Five passengers were injured when a fire in landing gear forced the emergency evacuation of the Qantas 747 after it landed.

A Qantas spokeswoman said flight QF6, from Frankfurt via Singapore, landed without incident at Mascot around 5.15am, and had taxied up to the gate when a ground engineer noticed smoke coming from one of the aircraft's 16 brakes.

The spokeswoman said the engineer advised the captain of the aircraft, who requested that the 347 passengers disembark by an emergency chute at the rear of the plane.

Sydney Airport chief executive Max Moore-Wilton said one of the emergency evacuation chutes appeared to have malfunctioned.

"I understand there was a problem with one of the emergency chutes," he told reporters at the airport.

"That will be looked at, it may well have been a malfunction.

"That will be looked at by the (Air Transport) Safety Bureau," he said.

Five passengers were taken to hospital with minor injuries - including friction burns, grazes and a bumped head.

One passenger, Gordon Garratley, 51, told AAP he'd seen one of the chutes collapse as people were evacuating the plane.

"There were about two or three people coming down. They would have had a fall of about ten feet (to the ground)," Mr Garratley said.

A spokesman for the Ambulance Service said two of the passengers had been taken to Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, two to Sydney Hospital and one to St Vincent's Hospital.

All were currently in a stable condition, the spokesman said.

An English passenger on the flight, Jasper Byrne, 27, said there was panic on the plane when they were told to evacuate.

"People were literally crying when they got off," Mr Byrne told AAP.

"Someone was having an asthma attack when she got off ... it was quite traumatic really, definitely for the older people I think," he said.

The passengers were not told why they had to evacuate and he said they could not tell that anything was wrong from inside the plane although from outside he said, "we could see something".

Mr Moore-Wilton said passengers were being allowed back on the plane to collect passports and valuables and were being cleared by customs.

He said other baggage would take longer to clear but a plan was being put in place for it to be delivered to passengers by the airline, he said.

He said the airport emergency plan had been immediately put into action, involving the NSW police, airport, the airline and emergency services.

"Since approximately 5.30 in the morning we've been working very hard to clear the aircraft.

"That depends on the Aircraft Transport Safety Bureau which has to declare the aircraft safe," Mr Moore-Wilton said.



©AAP 2003
Welcome aboard Malaysia Airlines! Winner of Best Cabin Staff 2001,2002,2003,2004,2007,2009,2012
 
kevi747
Posts: 991
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:59 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:26 pm

It seems like it would be hard to evacuate an airplane parked at the gate. There are lots of things around the airplane that would get in the way of the deploying slides and the people coming down them. Plus they would have had their doors disarmed (or in the "manual" mode) by then. No that its so hard to rearm them, but it takes a few extra seconds.

I'm surprised more people weren't hurt. Evacuations are no joke. During our training at AA we had to jump down a 767 slide. You don't slow down at the end, you just sort of come shooting off the foot end of the slide. It wasn't bad because we landed on a padded surface, but concrete would hurt.

Anyway, kudos to the flight attendants. Once again proof that QF cabin crew are some of the best in the world.
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
 
POSITIVE RATE
Posts: 2121
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:31 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:32 pm

"People were literally crying when they got off," Mr Byrne told AAP.

"Someone was having an asthma attack when she got off ... it was quite traumatic really, definitely for the older people I think," he said.



That is rediculous. This is a minor incident and people were reacting like that? I'm mean sure it's serious but not worth tears over. I don't understand some pax sometimes how they carry on over something small.

 
B-HXB
Posts: 678
Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2001 12:04 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:46 pm

"People were literally crying when they got off," Mr Byrne told AAP.

"Someone was having an asthma attack when she got off ... it was quite traumatic really, definitely for the older people I think," he said.


That is rediculous. This is a minor incident and people were reacting like that? I'm mean sure it's serious but not worth tears over. I don't understand some pax sometimes how they carry on over something small.


I don't see anything ridiculous about it all. Keep in mind that the passengers would have been instructed only to evacuate. Particularly for elderly or unwell passengers, this could have been quite distressing.

There was a clip of the plane at the gate on the news; from what I could see all slides, including the upper door ones (at least on the right side of the aircraft) had been deployed.
 
kevi747
Posts: 991
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:59 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:59 pm

I agree with B-HXB.

Evacuations can be very stressful for the crew and the PAX as well. It's not like the crew would have been politely asking people to exit the aircraft. No, you shout commands and push people out if they try to sit or hesitate at the top of the slide. It can get very chaotic. Plus, those slides aren't designed for comfort, they're made for speed. Standing at the top you feel like you're looking straight down. I can see how it could freak people out.
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
Posts: 11619
Joined: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:06 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 4:16 pm

Well truly shocking, but at least no one died so that's OK.

Anyway.
---
Qantas evacuation chute 'failed'
By Toni Allan
July 2, 2003

FIVE people were injured and two evacuation chutes malfunctioned when passengers were forced to abandon a Qantas jumbo jet after its brakes caught fire on landing in Sydney today.

QF6, from Frankfurt via Singapore, had landed at Sydney's Kingsford Smith Airport at about 5.15am (AEST) when a ground engineer noticed smoke coming from one of its 16 brakes.

"What happens in an emergency deployment of the slide raft or the chute is that obviously not all of them necessarily work the way you want them to," Qantas aircraft operations executive general manager David Forsyth said.

"As I understand it, there was a problem with two of the chutes."

One passenger, Gordon Garratley, 51, told AAP he had seen one of the chutes collapse as people were evacuating the plane.

"There were about two or three people coming down. They would have had a fall of about ten feet (to the ground)," Mr Garratley said.

An English passenger on the flight, Jasper Byrne, 27, said there was panic on the plane when they were told to evacuate.

"People were literally crying when they got off," Mr Byrne said.

"Someone was having an asthma attack when she got off ... it was quite traumatic really, definitely for the older people I think," he said.

"This landing was not unusual in that it used idle reverse thrust instead of full reverse thrust, so more energy would have been absorbed on an aircraft landing," Mr Forsyth told reporters.

More at News.com.au
----

Qantas have a non use of reverse thrust policy. Bangkok Golf course and now this? Just wondering what people make of this policy now and if it should be changed..?
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
AussiePete
Posts: 70
Joined: Tue May 27, 2003 10:35 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:02 pm

Quote from "Singapore Air"
Qantas have a non use of reverse thrust policy. Bangkok Golf course and now this? Just wondering what people make of this policy now and if it should be changed..?


Well, maybe you should check your facts. Yes, Qantas and MANY OTHER OPERATORS used/use this method for landing as it provides for better serviceability for thrust reversers, brakes, and other systems. This is a characteristic of carbon brakes.

However, if you look into the history of the BKK incident and the report issued, it was used as a scapegoat for the runway departure despite the fact that the pilot in that incident didn't meet the intent of any procedures. In fact, no thrust reversers were deployed at all, even to idle at BKK. How you can blame a procedure that wasn't followed is beyond me, but I'm not in a pilot's union so what would I know.

The fact is this landing procedure is safe, it provides for safety by placing the ultimate decision for throttled up thrust reverse on the pilot, and it has worked well at many operators.

As mentioned by another member above, SYD airport places restrictions on TR use before 6am. However, if the pilot believes that he needs to use TR he has the ultimate discretion.

Qantas do not, by their own policy, use idle reverse landings anymore.

[Edited 2003-07-02 10:08:43]
 
na
Posts: 9170
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:07 pm

Two chutes malfunctioned on a 747 just 3 years old? That´s pretty serious in terms of technical issues, even if the evacuation event itself is minor.

As for people crying: I can understand this. None of the passengers is aware whats going on in such a moment, whether its just a precautionary matter or if there´s a reason to think the plane might blow off or burn down. There are always people who are afraid more than others and go panic.

The reverse thrust issue indeed reminds of the Bangkok incident a few years back (that was far more serious) and gives reason to ask if Qantas shouldn´t change their policy here. I don´t know though if this is general practice with airlines to apply just idle reverse thrust. Full reverse thrust can
be a stress factor for uninformed passengers as it gives you the feeling something´s going wrong. I once experienced it on a 744 and its impressive.
 
AJ
Posts: 2295
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 1999 3:54 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:33 pm

"The reverse thrust issue indeed reminds of the Bangkok incident a few years back (that was far more serious) and gives reason to ask if Qantas shouldn´t change their policy here"

Although these remarks are unqualified I will rise to the bait. Qantas policy is to use full reverse thrust on all landings unless prohibited by local procedures, maintenance requirements or at the Captain's discretion.

In this case full reverse thrust was not used as it is prohibited under the Sydney Airport Curfew Act. A fully serviceable B747-400 can decellerate on wheel brakes alone, and has thousands of times before. Runway 34L is a long runway and the aircraft is certified for up to 15 knots of tailwind. There was nothing to indicate that this morning's landing was anything but routine with spoilers, idle reverse and autobrakes used to slow the aircraft. The aircraft was taxied to the terminal before any sign of a problem became apparent, with the flaps, speedbrake and reversers stowed.

Brake fires can be cause by a malfunction in one of many systems, autobrakes, antiskid, tire failure and brake discs to name a few. It is too early to identify why the fire started in the undercarriage. Armchair expertise is expected but not welcomed on an industry forum.
 
na
Posts: 9170
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:48 pm

Armchair expertise, nice phrase.

I have to take this bite. Reading my words again it doesn´t sound very "professional". But from what I read about this incident it sounded as if could have been avoided by applying "some" reverse thrust. I´m not informed about local procedures as well although I´ve been to Sydney and are aware about the local residential conditions.
So the reason seems to be just an undercarriage problem.
 
Marara
Posts: 634
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:29 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:04 am

A woman wearing high heels is meant to be the reason for the slide deflating.
I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. Jerome K Jerome
 
syncmaster
Posts: 1926
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:55 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:44 am

Posative Rate-

Any way you look at it the plane was still on fire, they had every right to cry about it. Honestly, what the hell did you expect them to do, they are standing in a hunk of metal that has gas all around them, do you expect them to walk off the plane like nothing happened?
 
AWspicious
Posts: 2780
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:47 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:13 am

From what I've gathered, the was only signs of visible smoke. Whether actual flames were present or not hasn't been made clear, has it? Was the slide evacuation really necessary, I wonder?

A.W.
Nevermind political correctness - Envision using your turn signals!
 
Mr.BA
Posts: 3310
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2000 12:26 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:27 am

While I agree with what AJ has said but are there any apparent reasons for the chutes to fail? Imagine one day the evacuation is critical...
Boeing747 万岁!
 
User avatar
Heavierthanair
Posts: 840
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2000 11:20 pm

QF Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:58 am

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." (Albert Einstein, 1879 - 1955)
 
QANTASforever
Posts: 5794
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2001 6:03 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:45 am

A woman wearing high heels is meant to be the reason for the slide deflating.

Stupid b****. God - Is it too much to ask people to actually READ the safety card???

QANTASFOREVER
Fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic.
 
Guest

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:38 am

This seemed a bit off topic (or very off topic), but I was just browring thru JetPhotos web site the and came across this picture http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=110675. The photographer has it that the plane, VH-OJU, was taking from SYD on 29 June. A quick calculation and if I'm not mistaken, VH-OJU (the aircraft involved is yesterday's brake smoke/fire incident) was just leaving Sydney for SIN/FRA as QF5, immediately PRIOR to it's return as QF6 which ended with the incident..!

I just thot it's kinda interesting!

 Smile
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
Posts: 11619
Joined: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:06 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:26 am

No one reads safety cards because they are not interesting and do not have relevance to people.

Really, if airlines want people to read safety cards, make a video which is shown before watching a movie option.
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
777236ER
Posts: 12213
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 7:10 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:52 am

Problem here is that people were deplaning, meaning they're up and walking. Even a very seasoned flier wouldn't stop and take their pointy shoes off when F/As suddenly start to scream at you to get off the plane as quick as possible because it's on fire.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
AussiePete
Posts: 70
Joined: Tue May 27, 2003 10:35 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:26 am

777236ER:
A very valid point. This was an unusual situation (when is an evac a normal situation?) in that the passengers were already up and out of their seats trying to deboard.


Having said all that, there will have to be some soul searching over this to ensure the shortcomings do not occur again. Why did the crews allow pax to carry their bags down the chutes? Why were they allowed to approach the door area with shoes still on?

Qantas and other airlines will all learn from the experience. Thankfully, in this case it's not 'Tombstone Learning'.
 
777236ER
Posts: 12213
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 7:10 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:42 am

Why did the crews allow pax to carry their bags down the chutes?

If you had the passengers with hand luggage in their arms, stood up in the aisles there's not a lot of places to put that luggage. When they get to the door the only thing to do is to chuck it out after them.

Why were they allowed to approach the door area with shoes still on?

I don't think you can expect an 18 year old flight attendant who was winding down and looking forward to their nice hotel room after a long flight to suddenly spring into perfect action when the evacuation alarm goes off. They have to open the doors (not an easy task, even with assist bottles!), make sure the chute's open then get passengers to actually jump down the slides. It would have been pandemonium.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
chrisrad
Posts: 963
Joined: Tue Dec 05, 2000 7:26 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:28 am


The high heels explains one of the chutes, but what about the other chute that failed?
Welcome aboard Malaysia Airlines! Winner of Best Cabin Staff 2001,2002,2003,2004,2007,2009,2012
 
aviasian
Posts: 1244
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2001 8:11 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:39 am

AWspicious : Ever heard of "No smoke without fire".

If you wait to investigate further, find the fire before initiating emergency procedures, you could lose valuable seconds or minutes.

Although this may not be totally related, the value of every second is a "tombstone lesson" learnt from the Saudia TriStar disaster.

There are always lessons to draw from every incident . . . this is no exception, but it would be unfair to pin any blame on the cabin crew without the benefit of a more thorough study.

The very fact that we are seeing so much details being reported indicates that Qantas is very open about this incident . . . I take comfort in this and see that safety issues are given the right level of priority by the airline.

Well done Qantas!

KC Sim
Bangkok . . . let's not bring up the BKK golfing trip every time something about Qantas comes up . . . it's unfair and sometimes quite stupid to attempt to draw a parallel where one does not exist.

KC Sim
Bangkok
 
POSITIVE RATE
Posts: 2121
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:31 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:46 pm

Ok i can understand it was distressing but what i'm trying to say is that people tend to overreact whenever anything goes wrong with an airplane- whether it be a tyre bursting, heavy landing, turbulence, etc. Sure they had every right to be distressed in this case but panic doesn't help the evacuation process.
 
nickofatlanta
Posts: 1272
Joined: Tue May 23, 2000 1:06 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:44 pm

I find the curfew rules interesting to say the least. Surely, the airlines should land properly or not at all. So, in this case, why don't they just schedule their planes to land after 6am which is what they do most of the year anyway? Then, they can use all of the equipment available to them to ensure a safe landing. Safety clearly is not the paramount concern if airlines are landing without the use of full reverse thrust. Just my opinion!
 
aviasian
Posts: 1244
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2001 8:11 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:34 pm

Positive Rate : For an elderly person (or for that matter, for any person who has no clue what sort of emergency this is . . . or its severity), it is not possible to tell him / her (standing at the top of the chute and being egged on by the crew plus panicky passengers) not to over-react. Where is the thin line between being distressed (and all the actions that result from being distressed) and over-reacting?

Many of these folks have never jumped off the chair, let alone from a Boeing 747-400! Try for one moment to imagine that these elderly folks are not in the 21-25 age group . . . they may already be suffering the effects of arthritis, brittle bones, replaced hips and a host of other ailments! A little empathy here is not at all out of place.

Now isn't it easier to picture why an elderly person might be in tears . . . maybe these were tears of relief.

KC Sim
Bangkok
 
POSITIVE RATE
Posts: 2121
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:31 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:49 pm

Aviasan you're quite correct. I do understand how an elderly passenger may become distressed in a situation like this one. Perhaps i'm just too used to the "dramatised reporting" here in Australia that is associated with aviation.
 
PER744
Posts: 397
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:38 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:41 pm

I don't think you can expect an 18 year old flight attendant who was winding down and looking forward to their nice hotel room after a long flight to suddenly spring into perfect action when the evacuation alarm goes off. They have to open the doors (not an easy task, even with assist bottles!), make sure the chute's open then get passengers to actually jump down the slides. It would have been pandemonium.

Qantas are not VirginBlue, they actually have capable f/a's, and I am always happy to have my safety in their hands.
 
777236ER
Posts: 12213
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 7:10 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:14 pm

Qantas are not VirginBlue, they actually have capable f/a's, and I am always happy to have my safety in their hands.

Obviously they don't have capable F/As if they let passengers jump down slides wearing pointy shoes.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
miami1
Posts: 652
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:31 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:56 pm

PER744 -
Here in Australia I believe it is safe to say that ALL airlines train their FAs to the highest possible standards. FA ground schools and trainers are endorsed by CASA and audited regularily. As are the FAs. It isn't in an airline's interests to have inadequately trained FAs.

Also Virgin Blue is still quite a young airline so there is less chance of complacincy amongst its crew. (I think amongst pilots its called the "1000 hour syndrome") Just because Virgin FAs are known for their anticts doesn't mean they are any less capable at evacuating a buring a/c. And for your informatio they hold a record in Australia for evacuating a 737 for CASA - OVER your Qantas.

And before you bag me out I am a Qantas FA. Just giving credit where it is due!
 
buckfifty
Posts: 1278
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:05 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:41 am

From what I've read so far (rumours and all), the slides failed not because of pointy shoes, but doors that were disarmed and not rearmed (and therefore no compressed nitrogen).

But again, rumours through the grapevine. Nothing substantial.
 
Marara
Posts: 634
Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:29 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Fri Jul 04, 2003 1:49 pm

What has been said on some of the radio stations is that some exits were not manned by at the start of the evac, some exits were operated by passengers. so passengers were able to get out with shoes and bags.

Nickofatlanta,
The aircraft had landed safely and passengers were deboarding. Reverse thrust was not needed.

TO all the QF CREW
Great Job, they evacuated a 744 with close to 400 people on it in under 90 seconds. (even if they did push that woman down the slide "i felt like a bowling ball" Big grin She wasnt one bit pleased - anyone else see seven news last night hahah, would she have rather stayed?.)

I know i wouldnt be complaining even if i broke a few bones during the evac after seeing what happened to the AF jet after a brake fire.
I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. Jerome K Jerome
 
hmmmm...
Posts: 1959
Joined: Tue May 18, 1999 8:32 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:56 pm

The irony in these situations is that the only people injured are those injured while sliding down the slides. We see this over and over again in the industry. I don't think the panic button should be pressed so easily. As soon as someone smells smoke, the slides are deployed and everyone jumps out in a sea of human carnage. There is room for improvement.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
 
POSITIVE RATE
Posts: 2121
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:31 am

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:14 am

PER744 i think you're comment was out of line dude. Why do you think Virgin Blue's FA's are any less capable than the almighty QF's? I've flown DJ a few times and have found them to be very professional. I'm sure they are at the same standard as QF FA's, don't worry about that. And yeah i think i heard about that record too- DJ evacuating a 737 in record time.
 
NITRO500
Posts: 18
Joined: Wed May 21, 2003 2:05 pm

RE: Qantas 747 Evacuated After Heavy Landing

Fri Jul 11, 2003 1:47 pm

PER744 - How can you turn a 747 evacuation topic in to an opportunity to 'have a go' at Virgin Blue? Very odd behaviour indeed. CASA issue both carriers AOC's to the same exacting standards and no doubt includes approval of their training programmes and emergency procedures. To suggest otherwise is perhaps a betrayal of your true level of knowledge - are you in the right forum here? I happily trust both airlines.