CV990
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Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:36 am


Hi!

It was not quite common in the 60's and 70's to see an airline using long-haul airliners from both Boeing and Douglas, I remember PAN AM with their DC-8-33 and 707-120/320 at one point, but besides that VARIG also used the 707-420 and the DC-8-33 ( when they absorved PANAIR ). If we look closely we see that in both cases they had both first generation jet models without turbofan. Now Braniff was a completely different business, they actually had the 707-320C and the DC-8-62. I know that the DC-8-62 had a much better range than the 707-320C but why they didn't just choosed the Boeing ( actually Braniff was a much pro-Boeing than pro-Douglas )? Anyone here know what type of routes both airliners flew? I know that the DC-8-62 was quite common in Latin America, but did the 707 also flying in those routes too?
Feedback from any US friends will be greatly appreciated!
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RE: Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:01 am

I think the first DC8s originally came to Braniff from Panagra. Braniff added more to their fleet for South America and based them in MIA. The 707s weren't used for S America to my knowledge. I think just for Hawaii and Vietnam MAC charters. Not sure, but I think the 707s were purchased before the DC8s.
 
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RE: Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:04 am

Here are some 4-engined Braniff routes in the winter of 1969.

707-320c
Chicago-Dallas-San Antonio
Chicago-San Antonio-Acapulco
Mexico City-San Antonio-Dallas-Kansas City-Minneapolis
Miami-Panama-Cali-Guayaquil-Lima (with Pan Am)


DC-8-62s
JFK-Miami-Panama-Bogata-Quito
SFO-Los Angeles-Lima
Panama-Quito-Lima-Santiago-Buenos Aires
Panama-Lima-Sao Paulo-Rio
Houston-New Orleans-Panama
Panama-Guayaquil-Lima-La Paz-Santiago
JFK-Panama, JFK-Lima-Asuncion-Buenos Aires
Miami-Buenos Aires
Panama-Buenos Aires
 
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RE: Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:28 am


Didn't Braniff also have like 5 707-227's? I think they were the only customer for this type.
 
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RE: Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:45 am


Hi!

Yes Braniff was the only airline to purchase the 200 version, an hot-high performance 707 that was used for their network in Latin America. Those 5 707-227 were latter traded by 3 727-100 from BWIA!
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RE: Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:07 am

And speaking of 4-engine types, don't forget that Braniff's fleet also included 720s (non-fan engines), and some DC-8-50s purchased second-hand in the mid 1970s, meaning at one time or another, Braniff operated every basic variant of the first generation 4-engine jetliners from both Boeing and Douglas with the exception of the "Stretch 8" (DC-8-61/63) though some would include the DC-8-62 in this category.
 
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RE: Braniff Interesting Relation...

Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:33 am

CV990, do you mean "It is not quite UNcommon..."?

According to my Braniff March 1969 schedule, BN used 707's to Hawaii, Mexico and domestic destinations. The schedule does show 707 service RIO to Sao Paulo to Lima to Miami, and 707 on Bogota, Panama City to MIA service. Interesting that 707 service to Hawaii included nonstop service to HNL from Houston, Dallas, and St. Louis.

The DC-8 was used for South American operations from LA, NYC and MIA. No domestic DC-8 operations are shown in 1969.

According to Airliners Summer 1992 article on Braniff:
707
Five 707-227s were ordered by Braniff, but only 4 were delivered. One was lost during pre-delivery flight testing when the Braniff/Boeing crew lost control due to Dutch roll.
The swap of 4 707s for 3 727-100s to BWIA was in 1971.
Braniff obtained four 707-138Bs from Qantas in 1969. They were sold in '75.
Beginning in '66 BN had a fleet of 9 707-327Cs initially used in South America and MAC flights. They were phased out in '73.
BN 720 were from 1961 to 1973.

DC-8
The DC-8-62 replaced the 707 in S.America. The first 7 came from PANAGRA merger. Two more were delivered new, and three more from Alitalia and SAS. BN also had four DC-8-31s and one DC8-55 from PANAGRA. They also 4 DC-8-51s from National in early '70s, and 2 more from Delta. The DC-8-51s were used on domestic flights because of limited range.


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